A question I haven't seen mentioned in regards to this: In general, if you have an aggressive reaction like this to the vaccine, does that mean you would have been one of the ones to have a more aggressive reaction (and perhaps a worse outcome) to an actual infection? Or is there more at play that determines severity of response?
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A question I haven't seen mentioned in regards to this: In general, if you have an aggressive reaction like this to the vaccine, does that mean you would have been one of the ones to have a more aggressive reaction (and perhaps a worse outcome) to an actual infection? Or is there more at play that determines severity of response?
Patcheslee
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Stepdad has appointed with his doctor Tuesday to discuss if he should and when he might be able to get one. 71, diabetic, Non-Hogkins Lymphoma in remission thank God, kidney issues, and a pace maker. He's high risk but Indiana is doing only Healthcare workers this first go around. He's in the doctors office for checkups monthly so I kinda hope the frequent visits means higher priority. Right now they have to schedule his visit for 1st of the day, call when he arrives, and is taken straight to a room so he isn't potentially exposed to a positive patient in the waiting room.
I'll post if his doctor can give any insight to time frame.
He's been off work since all this started and the loss of income has hit them hard.
The designated vaccination site for heathcare around here is in a different county and being shared with a total of 4 counties. Estimated 3146 heathcare workers eligible in just one of those counties, Vaccination site received 975 doses Thursday and expect 1950 more but delivery date is unknown for those now.
Also paper said max they can do in a day is 240 people a day. Partially limited because of the observation time after receiving.
Patcheslee
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I really really really want to think it's possible, but don't want to get my hopes up. Looking till at least end of 1st quarter before general population can get vaccinated, and that doesn't include kids yet.
GoofGoof
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Same feelings here. I think one big factor could be additional vaccines becoming available. JnJ and Oxford/AstraZeneca are both supposed to have results in Jan with possible emergency use authorization in early Feb. We have enough vaccine secured for 100M Americans by the end of March and 150M to 200M Americans by the end of June (depending on outcome of Pfizer negotiations). If one or both of those other vaccines comes through we may have enough vaccine to get to everyone who wants one by Memorial Day or even sooner. JnJ in particular is really encouraging if it works since that one only requires one shot.
For kids, Pfizer has kids down to 12 now in their trial and Moderna is adding in kids down to 12 currently. They both said they would start trials soon for younger kids and pregnant women. I don’t know how long that will take, but could be done in a few months or could take into the summer. I think that’s particularly important to WDW given their demographic. If kids under 12 aren’t vaccinated yet Disney may keep safety protocols longer than the general public to account for that and make families feel more comfortable.
"A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel voted 13-1 Sunday to put “frontline essential workers” and people 75 years of age and older next in line to be eligible to receive a vaccine against Covid-19.
That so-called phase 1b group is estimated to include about 49 million people, or nearly 15% of Americans, according to the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee included frontline essential workers such as firefighters, police officers, teachers, corrections officers and others in the phase 1b group, but relegated “other essential workers” to phase 1c.
The full list of frontline essential workers also includes all educational staff, including daycare workers, food and agricultural workers, manufacturing workers, U.S. postal service employees, public transit workers and grocery store workers, according to ACIP’s provided list. These workers “are in sectors essential to the functioning of society and are at substantially higher risk of exposure” to Covid, ACIP said.
“I would like to note that the persons 75 years and older represent 8% of the population, 25% of hospitalizations and have a very high death rate. Frontline essential workers have high exposures. They include a disproportionate share of racial and ethnic persons who also have a disproportionate share of hospitalizations,” Dr. Katherine Poehling, a member of the committee, said after the vote.
Dr. Henry Bernstein of Northwell Cohen Children’s Medical Center, who voted against Sunday’s recommendation, explained that he is in favor of including those 65 years of age and older.
Phase 1c should include persons between the ages of 65 and 74, people between the ages of 16 and 64 who have high-risk underlying conditions and remaining essential workers, ACIP also recommended Sunday. That’s 129 million Americans, according to ACIP, or over one-third of the country.
Those remaining essential workers include transportation and logistics workers, food service workers, construction workers, finance workers, IT and communications workers, energy workers, media personnel, legal workers, engineers and wastewater workers, ACIP said. And underlying conditions for prioritization purposes includes obesity, cancer, smoking and more, per ACIP.
The committee’s recommendations will now go to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, who typically accepts the committee’s recommendations, setting federal guidance on how states should implement distribution of the scarce doses. But state officials are charged with the final say on distribution. The CDC earlier this month recommended that states first prioritize health-care workers and long-term care facility residents during the initial rollout of the vaccines."
www.cnbc.com
That so-called phase 1b group is estimated to include about 49 million people, or nearly 15% of Americans, according to the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee included frontline essential workers such as firefighters, police officers, teachers, corrections officers and others in the phase 1b group, but relegated “other essential workers” to phase 1c.
The full list of frontline essential workers also includes all educational staff, including daycare workers, food and agricultural workers, manufacturing workers, U.S. postal service employees, public transit workers and grocery store workers, according to ACIP’s provided list. These workers “are in sectors essential to the functioning of society and are at substantially higher risk of exposure” to Covid, ACIP said.
“I would like to note that the persons 75 years and older represent 8% of the population, 25% of hospitalizations and have a very high death rate. Frontline essential workers have high exposures. They include a disproportionate share of racial and ethnic persons who also have a disproportionate share of hospitalizations,” Dr. Katherine Poehling, a member of the committee, said after the vote.
Dr. Henry Bernstein of Northwell Cohen Children’s Medical Center, who voted against Sunday’s recommendation, explained that he is in favor of including those 65 years of age and older.
Phase 1c should include persons between the ages of 65 and 74, people between the ages of 16 and 64 who have high-risk underlying conditions and remaining essential workers, ACIP also recommended Sunday. That’s 129 million Americans, according to ACIP, or over one-third of the country.
Those remaining essential workers include transportation and logistics workers, food service workers, construction workers, finance workers, IT and communications workers, energy workers, media personnel, legal workers, engineers and wastewater workers, ACIP said. And underlying conditions for prioritization purposes includes obesity, cancer, smoking and more, per ACIP.
The committee’s recommendations will now go to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, who typically accepts the committee’s recommendations, setting federal guidance on how states should implement distribution of the scarce doses. But state officials are charged with the final say on distribution. The CDC earlier this month recommended that states first prioritize health-care workers and long-term care facility residents during the initial rollout of the vaccines."
CDC panel says frontline essential workers, people 75 years and older should get Covid vaccine next
"We are faced with the situation, at least in the short term, where we have a limited supply of vaccine available to us," Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC said.
www.cnbc.com
Indy_UK
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I am slap bang in the new Tier 4 lock down here in the UK and I'm not surprised that it has been implemented. I work in retail in a large Mall here and so many people were ignoring the rules. Sorry to say that it was more the younger generation who don't seem to realise how serious this is. Flat out now not allowed to see any family over Christmas or the duration that we are in this tier. Rumour is that they are reassessing this on the 31st which is rubbish as 11 days will not change a thing. I'm more believing the time frame of 6 weeks extended to 3 months if the situation doesn't improve.
durangojim
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Just was immunized with the Pfizer COVID vaccine. So far no issues. I was somewhat apprehensive due to a history of anaphylaxis with IM penicillin.
Heppenheimer
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So, here's the answer to why they think that the current vaccines should be effective against this new strain in the UK (summarized from the British Journal of Medicine). The mutant strain has up to 17 changes in the sequence of the spike protein. Fortunately, though, the vaccine produces antibodies to many different regions of the protein, so as long as there's still enough matches between the antibodies and various regional sequences of the protein, the vaccine should still work.
However, if the virus continues to mutate, we could conceivably reach a point where the original vaccines will no longer be effective. Hence, we really need to go all-in with mitigation measures. The less circulating virus, the less chance it has to mutate.
However, if the virus continues to mutate, we could conceivably reach a point where the original vaccines will no longer be effective. Hence, we really need to go all-in with mitigation measures. The less circulating virus, the less chance it has to mutate.
danlb_2000
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That's about 2.7% which is better then I would have expected based on what we heard coming out of the trials. I don't think more time would have changed this. The point of a vaccine is to jump start your immune system and that is going to make some people feel sick. If you are concerned about side effects don't ever take any medication. Even aspirin kills about 3000 people in the US every year.
GoofGoof
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Interesting list. Probably makes sense."A Centers for Disease Control and Prevention panel voted 13-1 Sunday to put “frontline essential workers” and people 75 years of age and older next in line to be eligible to receive a vaccine against Covid-19.
That so-called phase 1b group is estimated to include about 49 million people, or nearly 15% of Americans, according to the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. The committee included frontline essential workers such as firefighters, police officers, teachers, corrections officers and others in the phase 1b group, but relegated “other essential workers” to phase 1c.
The full list of frontline essential workers also includes all educational staff, including daycare workers, food and agricultural workers, manufacturing workers, U.S. postal service employees, public transit workers and grocery store workers, according to ACIP’s provided list. These workers “are in sectors essential to the functioning of society and are at substantially higher risk of exposure” to Covid, ACIP said.
“I would like to note that the persons 75 years and older represent 8% of the population, 25% of hospitalizations and have a very high death rate. Frontline essential workers have high exposures. They include a disproportionate share of racial and ethnic persons who also have a disproportionate share of hospitalizations,” Dr. Katherine Poehling, a member of the committee, said after the vote.
Dr. Henry Bernstein of Northwell Cohen Children’s Medical Center, who voted against Sunday’s recommendation, explained that he is in favor of including those 65 years of age and older.
Phase 1c should include persons between the ages of 65 and 74, people between the ages of 16 and 64 who have high-risk underlying conditions and remaining essential workers, ACIP also recommended Sunday. That’s 129 million Americans, according to ACIP, or over one-third of the country.
Those remaining essential workers include transportation and logistics workers, food service workers, construction workers, finance workers, IT and communications workers, energy workers, media personnel, legal workers, engineers and wastewater workers, ACIP said. And underlying conditions for prioritization purposes includes obesity, cancer, smoking and more, per ACIP.
The committee’s recommendations will now go to CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield, who typically accepts the committee’s recommendations, setting federal guidance on how states should implement distribution of the scarce doses. But state officials are charged with the final say on distribution. The CDC earlier this month recommended that states first prioritize health-care workers and long-term care facility residents during the initial rollout of the vaccines."
CDC panel says frontline essential workers, people 75 years and older should get Covid vaccine next
"We are faced with the situation, at least in the short term, where we have a limited supply of vaccine available to us," Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC said.
So running some basic numbers:
1a) 24 million people (7% of population)
1b) 49 million people (15% of population)
1c) 129 million people (39% of population)
Total for all phase 1 (a,b and c) 202 million people (61% of the population)
The US expects to have enough doses for 20 million people in Dec, 30 million in Jan and 50 million in Feb. After that we get enough for another 50 million people from Moderna in Q2 and that’s all under current contract with maybe 50 million more people from Pfizer of that deal is signed. If we assume at least 1/3 of people eligible for the vaccine decline the vaccine, that means 1a and 1b could have gotten their first shots by the end of January and possibly all of 1a, 1b and up to 3/4 of 1c done by the end of March. After that it really depends on whether kids get approval and whether another vaccine or 2 comes in.
One question I have is what kind of proof will be needed to get the vaccine? Age is pretty easy with ID but what about workers. Who makes that call? Will they require employers to register their workers and get approval or will workers have to show a pay stub or proof of employment? Seems like a nightmare to sort out. I think 1c will also need a further breakdown. Maybe 65-74 first before others.
danlb_2000
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A lot of the people in this group would probably have some sort of job related ID, like police, fire fighters, teachers, postal workers, transit drivers, etc. The others get a little trickier, but a pay stub would probably work. The system doesn't need to be perfect. If they are doing some sort of ID check I doubt a lot of people would try to cheat the system, and in the end it's not really a big deal is some do, we are all going to have the ability to get it eventually.
GoofGoof
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Looks like our broken government finally agreed on a relief bill that could be voted on as early as tonight. Highlights include:
www.cnbc.com
- $300 federal unemployment supplement
- Direct payments of $600 to many adults.
- Some families are also expected to get $600 per child.
- $300 billion into small business assistance including Paycheck Protection Program loans.
- temporarily keep in place pandemic-era programs that expanded unemployment insurance eligibility.
- put critical funding into the distribution of the two FDA-approved Covid-19 vaccines.
- send relief to hospitals, many of which have struggled to keep up with a flood of Covid-19 patients.
- put new money into education and transportation.
Congress agrees to $900 billion Covid stimulus deal after months of failed negotiations
Lawmakers will now move to vote on the proposal, along with a full-year government spending bill.
www.cnbc.com
GoofGoof
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Makes sense. I suppose it might just be a form you fill out with occupation and the honor system. I wonder if they will make you get a doctors’s note or a prescription for medical conditions. I think the smoking one is interesting too. I hadn’t seen that listed as a higher risk condition. High blood pressure and asthma were not on the list either.
oceanbreeze77
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Probably employment verification forms.
oceanbreeze77
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Ill believe it when its voted in. Its a pathetic bill, but I guess we can't expect much more right now.Looks like our broken government finally agreed on a relief bill that could be voted on as early as tonight. Highlights include:
This is welcome news for the many people and businesses that need help to get through to the finish line that the vaccine hopefully brings.
- $300 federal unemployment supplement
- Direct payments of $600 to many adults.
- Some families are also expected to get $600 per child.
- $300 billion into small business assistance including Paycheck Protection Program loans.
- temporarily keep in place pandemic-era programs that expanded unemployment insurance eligibility.
- put critical funding into the distribution of the two FDA-approved Covid-19 vaccines.
- send relief to hospitals, many of which have struggled to keep up with a flood of Covid-19 patients.
- put new money into education and transportation.
Congress agrees to $900 billion Covid stimulus deal after months of failed negotiations
Lawmakers will now move to vote on the proposal, along with a full-year government spending bill.
TrainsOfDisney
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This would have been pathetic if it came out when the other bill ran out and people really needed it.
The fact that people have waited months for this? Way beyond pathetic.
hopemax
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For the large organizations like police, teachers, your local grocery store chain, they could do a lot with employer organized appointment windows and vaccine distribution sites. They could do checks like they do for an election. Digital lists based on payroll data from Firehouse 5 or Kroger #1157, and they check your ID, and have you sign the iPad or just check it off. They are going to need a digital record of some sort, to organize the 2nd dose anyway.
I'm more curious about what they do when they get to the "people w/ health conditions." For various reasons, we don't currently have a doctor as the one we most recently visited moved out of the area. But I would qualify, so can I just show up somewhere and be vaccinated or evaluated? Obesity could be checked visibly, so is that enough? Or do I go to the back of the line because I don't have a doctor? I know that is one of the discussions they are starting to have, is that how do you get the high-risk who can't be served by a doctor because they don't have one.
GoofGoof
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I think for workers there are a large number that can be done that way when they work for larger organizations, but there are also many who work for small businesses and It may not be as practical to do those on site. I had read somewhere that at some point the expectation was that people would go to CVS or Walgreens vs having the technicians go to them like they are doing now for nursing homes. Maybe they will have it driven by the employer instead of the worker, so your employer would need to submit a list of all workers eligible. When it gets really tricky is workers within the same organization. So a clerk at the local grocery store is high priority, but the accountant who works for the same chain in the corporate office who has been working from home since March is not a high priority.
For health conditions I would assume it would be easiest to do it like a prescription where your doctor authorizes it. Then there’s no need to tell some worker at CVS what‘s wrong with you. In your case you could probably go to an urgent care and get that done if you don‘t find another doctor by then. With privacy concerns around health I can’t imagine they leave it up to CVS workers to decide.
oceanbreeze77
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and now canada
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