DisneyCane
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Harrisburg vicinity. There wasn't a huge amount of non-compliance (maybe 1%). I just saw more of it than I have in Florida.
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oceanbreeze77
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and now Germany
GoofGoof
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The middle of PA is like a different state. Not as surprising. You are fortunate that mask compliance is high in your part of FL. The people I know who live there have not said the same. I guess it depends on where you are and where you guy. The stories I have heard is things have definitely gone downhill since Sept when the Governor publicly came out against mask mandates and against enforcement by local governments. That seems to have emboldened a lot of people to stop complying. My FIL was going to the gym and going shopping as soon as those things re-opened but he is back to working out at home since masks at the gym are virtually non-existent these days. He felt pretty good about it when they first opened, but doesn’t feel safe anymore and I wouldn’t call him a fear mongering, scared of the virus type. He’s a card carrying FoxNews enthusiast. Again, just anecdotal and doesn‘t reflect the full state.
GoofGoof
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Why were there flights between these countries anyway? I guess some are essential but I think it would be pretty smart to keep international flights to a minimum anyway.
hopemax
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Because this new strain is so much more contagious, countries that can get their citizens vaccinated before this one stampedes through, will be able to manage hospital usage better. Like being able to use a pressure valve to dial the chaos down a little, if the vaccine still works well enough even if not 95%.
And it’s so much easier to make that call when you know the cavalry is only a short ride away than when you don’t know if any help is coming at all. Plus, I wouldn’t rule out any Brexit knife twisting payback going on too. In a last straw loaded onto the horse’s back, tie breaker sort of way (not as a primary reason). A bit of a reminder how things might work now that chose to be on their own.
I am so tired of people in the United States demanding "lockdowns" or saying they have been in lockdown, that lockdowns are coming, that lockdowns are here, or that they have been locked down or quarantined. Did you go to the store without having one day and time to be allowed to leave your house? Did you walk your dog? Did you go through the Starbucks drive thru? Pick up Chipotle or have it delivered?
Not a single United States citizen has been locked down in their home country. And #quarantinelife is not picking up your Dunkin' frap and going to a physically distanced holiday tree lighting.
Lockdown means you are literally not permitted to leave the inside of your home without legal ramifications. Other countries have locked down. Quarantining means you are locked down *and* isolated from anyone else, save for someone you live with. Visiting neighbors and friends in the driveway or driving by for a gift exchange is physically distanced socialization. But can we please stop using the phrase lockdown to describe things like temporary suspension of indoor dining in restaurants? It's being thrown around so freely these days. Even those like that are demanding Disney close and just emotionally type "maybe DeSantis will lockdown now" or "LOCKDOWNS WORK" would not likely support an actual lockdown where they could be fined or arrested for stepping foot in their driveway if it's not their prescheduled "outdoor recreation hour".
We're on "stay at home suggestions" in the United States and that's all we've ever been in, even in the strictest states. Your #quarantinelife in #lockdown is simply staying away from others and not going out in public as much.
None of us in the US have been locked down. So just stop it.
Not a single United States citizen has been locked down in their home country. And #quarantinelife is not picking up your Dunkin' frap and going to a physically distanced holiday tree lighting.
Lockdown means you are literally not permitted to leave the inside of your home without legal ramifications. Other countries have locked down. Quarantining means you are locked down *and* isolated from anyone else, save for someone you live with. Visiting neighbors and friends in the driveway or driving by for a gift exchange is physically distanced socialization. But can we please stop using the phrase lockdown to describe things like temporary suspension of indoor dining in restaurants? It's being thrown around so freely these days. Even those like that are demanding Disney close and just emotionally type "maybe DeSantis will lockdown now" or "LOCKDOWNS WORK" would not likely support an actual lockdown where they could be fined or arrested for stepping foot in their driveway if it's not their prescheduled "outdoor recreation hour".
We're on "stay at home suggestions" in the United States and that's all we've ever been in, even in the strictest states. Your #quarantinelife in #lockdown is simply staying away from others and not going out in public as much.
None of us in the US have been locked down. So just stop it.
BrianLo
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Even with all the restrictions, y'all are still filling up? That's disconcerting.
Stay safe up there.
It’s unfortunately patch work success (more so than the US). We have our Eastern Provinces which are essentially seeing a New Zealand like level of success. The West did a much better job with the first wave and never did the summer spike like most of the US. Unfortunately there was some hold out resistance in the prairies to the Fall and finally the curve has been bent once proper restrictions went into place.
We’ve seen pretty effectively though half measures do work if they are started very quickly, which is how BC seems to have been getting by. They don’t seem to help once case loads are on a skyrocket course.
Central Canada seems to now be the lone holdout in not having solid province wide coordinated effort or ‘bent curve’. It doesn’t work when people freely travel all up and down the corridor into different problem areas. Which I think is the US’s biggest geopolitical hurdle. Interstate travel is so much more common and therefore poor coordination leads to every state falling to the lowest common denominator.
Canadians travel a heck of a lot by road as well... but the provinces are so much larger.
JoeCamel
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I bet the business owners that are closed on order think they are "Locked Down".
Good word and like all things you have to know the context to determine the meaning.
GoofGoof
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Most still aren’t locked down. Where I am indoor dining is gone again, but takeout is still allowed, (so is outdoor dining if you are a penguin
). Even in CA where they closed indoor and outdoor dining they still have takeout. It’s not a full shut down. DLR is effectively locked down. I agree with with @jlhwdw that too many people call implementing any restrictions a lock down. There’s a lot of grey area between fully open and lock down. Even stay at home orders from the spring were never a full lock down and nobody is going back to even those levels. For CA which is the most extreme example right now, schools are still open, doctor‘s offices, construction, retail with capacity limits, etc...lots of stuff that was further restricted in the Spring.
JoeCamel
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If you own a bar that does not get 50%+ of it's revenue from food you are out of luck. Should be compensated but that is another issue.Most still aren’t locked down. Where I am indoor dining is gone again, but takeout is still allowed, (so is outdoor dining if you are a penguin
Jrb1979
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I agree with you. Travel is a big problem. Especially in Southern Ontario where some regions are open and others are in lockdown. Personally the biggest issue is the amount of people having gatherings. Its also why they are going to lockdown all of southern Ontario after Christmas. They know families are still getting together for Christmas. Since cases are going to go up from that they are doing preventative measures in hopes in keeping cases from skyrocketing.
GoofGoof
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I don’t disagree. My wife works for a small business that has effectively been shut down since March. She hasn’t worked a single day since then and her boss (the owner) has very little money coming in. The owner is fortunate that she purchased the business from another person who did an owner financing agreement instead of her taking a bank loan so she has been able to negotiate a forbearance agreement with the former owner to defer loan payments until they get back up and running. Not sure how agreeable a bank would be to do that. She hasn’t gotten anything from the federal government. The best she could do for workers was allow them to go on unemployment.
I would also say a bar that gets less than 50% of its revenue from food is not doing well in FL right now either despite having no limitations imposed by the government. Maybe some places are OK, but a lot more are not.
Bill in Atlanta
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What’s the latest on the mask plans for 2021? With the vaccine already being rolled out, can we expect masks to be “encouraged but not required” at WDW by spring/summer?
Dan Deesnee
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Thousands of reported health issues from vaccine - CDC
I just can't believe a vaccine that was released in 1/10th the normal amount of time is causing all of this. Hope this situation improves.
I just can't believe a vaccine that was released in 1/10th the normal amount of time is causing all of this. Hope this situation improves.
"The British variant has about 20 mutations, including several that affect how the virus locks onto human cells and infects them. These mutations may allow the variant to replicate and transmit more efficiently, said Muge Cevik, an infectious disease expert at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a scientific adviser to the British government.
But the estimate of greater transmissibility — British officials said the variant was as much as 70 percent more transmissible — is based on modeling and has not been confirmed in lab experiments, Dr. Cevik added."
“Over all, I think we need to have a little bit more experimental data,” she said. “We can’t entirely rule out the fact that some of this transmissibility data might be related to human behavior.”
www.nytimes.com
But the estimate of greater transmissibility — British officials said the variant was as much as 70 percent more transmissible — is based on modeling and has not been confirmed in lab experiments, Dr. Cevik added."
“Over all, I think we need to have a little bit more experimental data,” she said. “We can’t entirely rule out the fact that some of this transmissibility data might be related to human behavior.”
The Coronavirus Is Mutating. What Does That Mean for Us? (Published 2020)
Officials in Britain and South Africa claim new variants are more easily transmitted. There’s a lot more to the story, scientists say.
Animaniac93-98
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oceanbreeze77
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I appreciate the scientists putting out information about mutations and the overall science of it, but this particular situation is a bit scary. Hopefully it turns out to be not a huge deal, but with the new travel bans because of the strain, and the constant "we dont know enough about it yet," is scary."The British variant has about 20 mutations, including several that affect how the virus locks onto human cells and infects them. These mutations may allow the variant to replicate and transmit more efficiently, said Muge Cevik, an infectious disease expert at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland and a scientific adviser to the British government.
But the estimate of greater transmissibility — British officials said the variant was as much as 70 percent more transmissible — is based on modeling and has not been confirmed in lab experiments, Dr. Cevik added."
“Over all, I think we need to have a little bit more experimental data,” she said. “We can’t entirely rule out the fact that some of this transmissibility data might be related to human behavior.”
The Coronavirus Is Mutating. What Does That Mean for Us? (Published 2020)
Officials in Britain and South Africa claim new variants are more easily transmitted. There’s a lot more to the story, scientists say.
1. Only 6 had severe reactions: anaphylaxis, a severe allergic reaction.
2. Nearly 3% (the 'thousands') had a health issue that interfered with daily activities (not feeling well enough to go to work) or required seeking medical attention. And this is because of how our bodies respond to infections: fever, inflammation, increased mucus, soreness. The same bodily response to a cold or flu is being produced by the vaccination and it can make you feel really lousy. It generally wears off in a day or two if from a vaccination. If from a cold or flu, however, you're looking at two weeks of actually illness, if not death from complications like pneumonia.
It's generally the same reaction some have to a yearly flu shot.
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GoofGoof
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6 cases of anaphylaxis in 272,001 people vaccinated (0.002%). If you extrapolate that out to the whole US population that’s around 7,000 cases of anaphylaxis for the whole population (330M people) assuming 100% vaccination and a similar rate of reaction. In the days since the vaccine distribution started over 16,000 Americans have died from Covid and over 100,000 are currently hospitalized. I don’t see any issues right now. Rewards far and away worth the risk and that‘s only from the public health aspect. The economy is highly dependent on getting enough people vaccinated too. If the vaccine took 10 years to develop do you think the same people wouldn’t have still had an allergic reaction? Seems unlikely.
GoofGoof
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...and the 17M+ people who have tested positive for covid so far have missed at least 10 days of work and in a lot of cases many more days.
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