Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Cute. You didn’t address my point, though. You just say a bunch of nonsense in flowery language and hope no one notices that you don’t have any opinions of substance.

So I’ll ask again. How, exactly, am I wrong for saying the constant cycle of lockdown, open up, lockdown hasn’t been effective at reducing cases?

In plain English, please. No calls to emotion that don’t make any sense. Or are you afraid to admit people can disagree with you and be right?

In plain English?? What “cycles”?
Where have they done “yo yo” lockdowns AND devoted proper resources to identification and control?
Take your time.

Flowery?

I took particular offense to that

Saying something in an overly elaborate way

I can’t stop that...it would be like me expecting you to not be stuck on hoax theory.

There are a lot of smart qualified people with varying opinions.

Truth is truth...opinion is what people have forgotten the definition of...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes, you do. You can choose to quit your job. That is what you can control. It may not be a good choice but it is your choice.

You can quit your job?

Have you ever quit a job without another? Or have you ever had a job? Just some baseline questions

 

[ImperfectPixie]

You mean that same flu still being passed around today? Yep it evolved to a less deadly strain and we developed T cells. It ran its course. Again not arguing against mitigation efforts. Just trying to point out there is not a panacea.

Look at specifically what happened during the pandemic. There were two hot-spots. One handled it well...the other did not.

 

[GimpYancIent]

Look at specifically what happened during the pandemic. There were two hot-spots. One handled it well...the other did not.

From the National Archives News: "Before COVID-19, the most severe pandemic in recent history was the 1918 influenza virus, often called “the Spanish Flu.” The virus infected roughly 500 million people—one-third of the world’s population—and caused 50 million deaths worldwide (double the number of deaths in World War I). In the United States, a quarter of the population caught the virus, 675,000 died, and life expectancy dropped by 12 years. With no vaccine to protect against the virus, people were urged to isolate, quarantine, practice good personal hygiene, and limit social interaction."
Just the facts.
The last sentence sounds familiar.

 

[BrianLo]

Random Pet Peeve time;

It's great that the public has learned a new term "T-cell", but hearing it thrown around like some secret discovery is a half step above saying humans have an "immune system" and turns out it can fight viruses.

Only slightly less funny when the world discovered and/or latched onto the wonder drug Dexamethasone.

I certainly don't mind and kind of enjoy that the public is very engaged in a health topic... but there is a lot of parroting without much depth sometimes.

 

[bdearl41]

From the National Archives News: "Before COVID-19, the most severe pandemic in recent history was the 1918 influenza virus, often called “the Spanish Flu.” The virus infected roughly 500 million people—one-third of the world’s population—and caused 50 million deaths worldwide (double the number of deaths in World War I). In the United States, a quarter of the population caught the virus, 675,000 died, and life expectancy dropped by 12 years. With no vaccine to protect against the virus, people were urged to isolate, quarantine, practice good personal hygiene, and limit social interaction."
Just the facts.
The last sentence sounds familiar.

1/3 of people caught it. Yep sounds contained completely and wasn’t allowed to evolve. My point is you can slow it. You cannot stop it. The concept of eliminating it or waiting it out without spread are not options.

 

[bdearl41]

Look at specifically what happened during the pandemic. There were two hot-spots. One handled it well...the other did not.

I think you take it as me arguing against mitigation efforts. That is not what I’m doing. I’m arguing against if we all shutdown and don’t breathe on each other that is the solution. It’s simply not. The virus has to evolve. For it to evolve it has to spread.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

1/3 of people caught it. Yep sounds contained completely and wasn’t allowed to evolve. My point is you can slow it. You cannot stop it. The concept of eliminating it or waiting it out without spread are not options.

Technology was pretty much the same in 1919 too...

I find it convenient that individuals play dumb to the other options...

“Huh?!? “

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think you take it as me arguing against mitigation efforts. That is not what I’m doing. I’m arguing against if we all shutdown and don’t breathe on each other that is the solution. It’s simply not. The virus has to evolve. For it to evolve it has to spread.

Who proposed that?

Take your time

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m beginning to love this silly little boy!!!

Redirect Notice

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[bdearl41]

Who proposed that?

Take your time

In general my point is being misunderstood. That’s what I’m saying. All i pointed out is mitigation does not fix the problem. It reduces the damages until nature takes its course. Yet I’m being told I’m wrong from all angles.

 

[bdearl41]

Technology was pretty much the same in 1919 too...

I find it convenient that individuals play dumb to the other options...

“Huh?!? “

Spread was a lot slower then. Compare commercial domestic and international travel for example. But still 1/3 caught it. Face it. Nature evolved the virus into a less deadly strain and we as humans developed T cells to fight it. It has to run its course. That’s all I’m saying. We can save lives. We can not impose our will to stop the virus. Mitigation efforts do not prevent death. They slow it so we can treat the ill to limit death.

 

[Miss Bella]

You can quit your job?

Have you ever quit a job without another? Or have you ever had a job? Just some baseline questions

She's stated multiple times she works in Pharmaceuticals.

 

[disneycp]

In general my point is being misunderstood. That’s what I’m saying. All i pointed out is mitigation does not fix the problem. It reduces the damages until nature takes its course. Yet I’m being told I’m wrong from all angles.

Just ignore them. Your point is completely rational, but some of the people on here just cling to their beliefs as hard as they can and then call you an idiot for disagreeing with them. You could give them ten different sources to back your argument and they would reply with one of several things: a) your point is invalid because (insert dumb reason here such as your age or your lack of posts on a Disney forum), b) but then why did you say (insert thing you never said), c) but that doesn’t apply to (insert scenario you weren’t ever talking about), d) *insert gibberish here* in the case of SirWalterRaleigh

It’s pretty tiring honestly

 

[Ldno]

So will WDW be the next to close?

 

[MisterPenguin]

So the Black Plague or bubonic plague was a bacterial infection spread by rats and fleas. Not a viral infection. They did practice quarantining but that took seven years to eliminate from London and did nothing to stop spread from other parts of Europe. It actually originated from Constantinople and kill 1/3 of Europe. So I wouldn’t say quarantines necessarily worked.

Bacterial? So it didn't start in a Chinese virology lab?

 

[GimpYancIent]

Bacterial? So it didn't start in a Chinese virology lab?

Nope! The documented historical record shows China does not need a virology lab to generate deadly microbes that spread globally. That said, time marches on and China will not waste a modern resource like a virology lab. Besides the type of microbe does not matter its all about the Apocalyptic global effects it has.

 

[DCBaker]

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[GimpYancIent]

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France, as usual, has more to deal with than COVID19. That said, it is sad that DP is closing for a period of time. Hopefully the EU, not just France, will have improved conditions soon and DP can resume operations.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Came across an interesting article from 2002 about plans to reintroduce the smallpox vaccine out of fears of it being weaponized. The plans were controversial because the smallpox vaccine is considered to be the most dangerous vaccine. They get into the odds of serious complications and even death which are not even measured as a percentage, they are out of a million inoculations. One death and up to about 75 serious complications out of a million. 300 American deaths was considered far too many for something that most assuredly would have killed more if released into a less populated area.

The Most Dangerous Vaccine

<b>Dan Rather</b> Reports On The Debate Over Safety Of Smallpox Vaccine

www.cbsnews.com

We received them in the military around this time. Once they realized that Saddam wasn't going to release a pestilence upon the Earth, the program faded away.