Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[oceanbreeze77]

Ok, interesting, what if, type of journalism. Not what actually happened pre-COVID. Like I said, interesting reading. Hey, you are one of those preppers, aren't you?

huh?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

You talking about all of 2020...or just today

today lol...maybe both

 

[GimpYancIent]

"We are happy to announce that The Walt Disney Family Museum plans to reopen to the public on Thursday, November 5. We missed you and cannot wait to see you at the museum soon! Come experience Walt Disney’s uplifting life story through our innovative galleries, memorable artifacts, and original artworks.

Beginning Thursday, November 5, the museum will be open Thursday through Sunday from 10am to 5:30pm, with last gallery entry at 4:15pm, and will be closed Monday through Wednesday for the remainder of the year."

Visitor Information | The Walt Disney Family Museum

www.waltdisney.org

What? Is this about DL? Have they given up on the park and made it a museum?

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So sad was it early in the pregnancy? Most data suggests the virus doesn’t affect the baby.

From the sounds of it...no. I didn't want to press too much for details. The mother is on a ventilator.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

From the sounds of it...no. I didn't want to press too much for details. The mother is on a ventilator.

my heart breaks. will say a prayer.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

my heart breaks. will say a prayer.

Thank you.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

What? Is this about DL? Have they given up on the park and made it a museum?

Walt Disney Family Museum is in San Francisco. Which is why they can open.

 

[Rider]

What? Is this about DL? Have they given up on the park and made it a museum?

It's a museum in San Francisco. Not owned by the company. It's a great place to go if you're in town.

Walt Disney Family Museum

San Francisco, CA

www.flickr.com

 

[easyrowrdw]

I don't think you're wrong that this is a problem, but I think you're misdiagnosing the underlying cause. The issue is not that the public health guidelines are unreasonable, it is that the rest of the government response is missing in action. Businesses and individuals should be provided with a safety net so that they do not fail because certain actions are required in the interests of public health.

So as long as that isn't happening, what are the options? I get the "revolt" against the restrictions here. This sucks.

 

[easyrowrdw]

The point is that employers have an obligation to make their workplace safe. I think that applies to Covid too. People have the right to work in a safe environment. So opening a bar with no restrictions on capacity and no face masks is IMHO making an unsafe work place for a bartender or waiter. Whether they are willing to take the risk is irrelevant. Same goes for meatpacking plants or supermarkets or any other venue.

You can’t come to work with an infectious disease like Covid. That’s not debatable, but I think what you are talking about is someone who doesn’t know if they are positive or not but has partaken in risky behavior that may have exposed them. Legally I can’t see how an employer can stop someone in that case from coming to work unless they have a policy in place stating that the action is prohibited. For example a hospital or school could say that if you travel to a hot spot and then come back you can’t come into work for 14 days. As long as that’s spelled out and well known there’s nothing illegal or wrong about it. Could an employer ban people from going to bars, unlikely, but I do know a school teacher whose principal asked all the staff to not go to a large group gathering for Thanksgiving to protect each other. I don’t know if there’s a punishment for not following it, but the request was made. Outside of the legality of stopping someone from taking risky actions, I do feel it’s a bit selfish to regularly expose yourself to Covid and then go into a work environment where you could infect others. Just my opinion. Others can feel free to disagree.

They couldn't stop you, but they could punish you. It's an intrusion, but companies can and do fire people for off-the-job behavior. Your larger point is well-taken. Employers do have an obligation to provide a safe working environment for their employees.

 

[October82]

So as long as that isn't happening, what are the options? I get the "revolt" against the restrictions here. This sucks.

Yeah, it does.

I don't think there are easy answers - right now we're living the worst of both worlds. We can't get out of the economic mess until the pandemic ends, but without government support, we can't end the pandemic because of the economic cost.

 

[hopemax]

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Yeah, it does.

I don't think there are easy answers - right now we're living the worst of both worlds. We can't get out of the economic mess until the pandemic ends, but without government support, we can't end the pandemic because of the economic cost.

It would be nice if our government would stop playing political games and do their stinking jobs.

 

[AngryEyes]

Per the data we've all been looking at, covidtracking.com , testing is easily higher than it's ever been and continues to rise. This tweet is an outright lie. And to no one's surprise, there are more positives. The percentage of positives was much higher end of July/early August.

I'm not in the "we got this thing licked" camp, but we have to speak truths and not propaganda.

 

[Slpy3270]

Per the data we've all been looking at, covidtracking.com , testing is easily higher than it's ever been and continues to rise. This tweet is an outright lie. And to no one's surprise, there are more positives. The percentage of positives was much higher end of July/early August.

I'm not in the "we got this thing licked" camp, but we have to speak truths and not propaganda.

While spring data cannot really be used to compare today's spread given how unreliable that data is (testing was poor during that period), I would be convinced that the summer spread is still worse were it not for the fact that the South, much warmer than the northeast and midwest, is starting to see major increases as well.

It would be nice if our government would stop playing political games and do their stinking jobs.

They answer to the people that actually vote for them, not the whole district. For most (primarily those in rural districts), those "jobs" are to cleanse migrants and non-Christians and protect the white majority at any cost, even if it means using nukes on the Middle East and Africa. They don't care about their own health because they can't feel any love for others except themselves.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

Per the data we've all been looking at, covidtracking.com , testing is easily higher than it's ever been and continues to rise. This tweet is an outright lie. And to no one's surprise, there are more positives. The percentage of positives was much higher end of July/early August.

I'm not in the "we got this thing licked" camp, but we have to speak truths and not propaganda.

so that sure explains why half of those states are running out of hospital space, right?

Also increased testing should not = high positivity. It should be lower. If its attributed to high testing the positivity rate being so high is not a good thing.

 

[ndsu84]

While spring data cannot really be used to compare today's spread given how unreliable that data is (testing was **** poor during that period), I would be convinced that the summer spread is still worse were it not for the fact that the South, much warmer than the northeast and midwest, is starting to see major increases as well.


They answer to the people that actually vote for them, not the whole district. For most (primarily those in rural districts), those "jobs" are to cleanse migrants and non-Christians and protect the white majority at any cost, even if it means using nukes on the Middle East and Africa. They don't care about their own health because they can't feel any love for others except themselves.

The last paragraph of this is so wrong. It’s so sad the some people actually believe this is true.

 

[MissingDisney]

The OSHA reference is interesting as it is possible it could apply but only to how COVID prevention is handled IN THE OFFICE. OSHA doesn't give any power over what people do on their own time. So I don't think it applies to the situation we were discussing.

I had made the argument that people should be allowed to do their own possible risk assessment of whether or not to partake in COVID "risky" activities and the other poster then replied with that can't be allowed since I have to go work and I have no other choice but to go and how that puts them at risk.

My objection is to there is no other option of going into their job. That just isn't the truth. No one in the US is FORCED to work anywhere. You CHOOSE to work there. Now, it might be a tough choice and I would argue that 99% of people have worked a job that they hated just because they had bills to pay but it is still a choice. It isn't a great choice but if it is that important to you then you need to do that. You can't force your values and standards on to others.

Oh the irony.

 

[sullyinMT]

so that sure explains why half of those states are running out of hospital space, right?

Also increased testing should not = high positivity. It should be lower. If its attributed to high testing the positivity rate being so high is not a good thing.

A lot of space has been lost for other reasons not relevant to COVID over the past decade and a half. Also, our rural hospitals, and the major ones covering rural areas, are spread way too thin to handle something like this.
That doesn’t negate the fact that you’re absolutely right. If we had a plan upon reopening (lost on governors and mayors out here from both sides of the aisle), we should have stayed well ahead of this wave. For all the credit I gave Bullock in my particular case for “jumping the gun,” as so many put it out here, he really botched reopening to DeSantis proportions. Casinos and dining at 50%, for example. And, with NO asymptomatic testing plans in place, no community outreach survey testing, and a total lack of tracing fabric, we went to 75%. We were so far ahead of it by closing early it took a while to catch up. Residents got complacent. Our county, which serves from the western Dakotas to northern Wyoming and beyond, is rationing care without actively flaunting it. We haven’t initiated an ECMO yet (I’m actively involved in that dumpster fire), but neither medical center keeps them long term and care flights those folks to SLC or Denver. We have the ability, as a county, to have 6 concurrently.
While I think they might have moved a little slowly or for some exercise of political control, I won’t fault Cuomo et al in the northeast for waiting until they had a testing and tracing network in place to reopen. If WDW were in a jurisdiction managed by even a Republican like Dewine in OH they would have likely reopened (maybe in Aug instead of July) and had better executive branch support. Specifically to the theme parks, I’m amazed at how hamstrung they are by the two ends of the political spectrum. Their staff and guests are unsafe, frankly, outside their respective “bubble” in FL and they can’t even make a go at it in CA. There is balance, as always, in the two extremes.

* wrong form of “too/to/two” from text to type was driving me nuts

 

[BrianLo]

New Zealand does have the luxury of being an island nation. Extremely easy to stop people coming in and out and apply targeted measures to the populace that couldn’t be fudged up by outside factors. I think that bears noting.

To be fair, the US might as well be an island these days. A Wall on One Side and a Nation who is happily closing their land border on the other.

And while there is a definite "true island" benefit, US states like Hawaii and Puerto Rico aren't exactly top performers worldwide.

I do agree that the US could never be New Zealand... but they could certainly be a lot closer to Japan. Which just had an all-time 10-day movie opening record. Germany of course being a land based Nation with far more borders who are also doing a relatively better job.

Certainly more collectivist Nations are more suited to do well in a Pandemic. That's not an argument to change the US, just an observation that I think we've seen mirrored with opinions on the board. The US is built on individualism, which generally serves it quite well in non-pandemic times, but certainly not this year.

Canada also had a far better economic rebound this summer than the US. I think case numbers have more to do with economic recovery than merely policy. Yes they are somewhat interlinked, but only at the extreme ends.

Unless case numbers are under control AND policy is reasonable (in an evidenced based way), the economy will not recover.