Politics Reopening Rally to Be Held Outside Disneyland on Saturday, October 17th

[DavidDL]

The last remnants of the French Fry rocks have been swept away forever.

 

[DanielBB8]

The stores gave up on the "Health Theater" (as posters here like to say) long, long ago. All the silly Attendance Caps that resulted in lines around the block. It looked like opening weekend of Star Wars in Hollywood 1977. But nope, it was lines to get into Walmart to buy toilet paper. But Disneyland remains closed aside from a few blue collar guys breaking fake rocks who have been deemed Essential like many of us that have braved the Corona wilderness all this time to earn a buck while I presume many of you have been living in a totally different world.

The restaurants haven't. There's still no indoor dining. Many offer takeout only. The stores have mask requirement. The only store that requires a line is Costco. Social distancing still required.
Attendance caps are required for churches so many are forced to offer outdoor services. This is bad for them. My church originally had reservations, but stopped after noticing it had plenty of capacity.
We need better guidance for all indoor activities and shows and this extends to theme parks.
Another thing is the complete malpractice of the health community. It dropped the ball with recommending a prophylaxis. We all know what that is.

 

[cmwade77]

The restaurants haven't. There's still no indoor dining. Many offer takeout only. The stores have mask requirement. The only store that requires a line is Costco. Social distancing still required.
Attendance caps are required for churches so many are forced to offer outdoor services. This is bad for them. My church originally had reservations, but stopped after noticing it had plenty of capacity.
We need better guidance for all indoor activities and shows and this extends to theme parks.
Another thing is the complete malpractice of the health community. It dropped the ball with recommending a prophylaxis. We all know what that is.

Huh? Where are you going? There is lots of indoor dining all over Orange County, but it is allowed there.

LA County doesn't have as much, but if you look, you can find them. Additionally, there are plenty of bars that have signs saying they are closed, yet lots of people going in and out of them in LA County.

We don't need any government interference, what we need to allow every business to reopen to whatever extent they and their customers feel safe in doing.

I haven't seen a store yet that is truly social distancing and the stores may say they have a mask requirement because they are being forced to do so, but the reality is most stores don't care.

 

[Old Mouseketeer]

The restaurants haven't. There's still no indoor dining. Many offer takeout only. The stores have mask requirement. The only store that requires a line is Costco. Social distancing still required.
Attendance caps are required for churches so many are forced to offer outdoor services. This is bad for them. My church originally had reservations, but stopped after noticing it had plenty of capacity.
We need better guidance for all indoor activities and shows and this extends to theme parks.
Another thing is the complete malpractice of the health community. It dropped the ball with recommending a prophylaxis. We all know what that is.

How do you figure? Public Health Specialists worldwide have spoken very consistently on how to confront the pandemic. Most wealthy nations had a national response--we did not. If we had followed the science (instead of politics) like Australia and Canada, over 100,000 Americans would still be alive. Instead the US Government threw away pandemic guidelines developed over decades under administrations of both parties. There is no secret here. This is not a political argument. You either follow the overwhelming scientific evidence or you do not.

 

[cmwade77]

How do you figure? Public Health Specialists worldwide have spoken very consistently on how to confront the pandemic. Most wealthy nations had a national response--we did not. If we had followed the science (instead of politics) like Australia and Canada, over 100,000 Americans would still be alive. Instead the US Government threw away pandemic guidelines developed over decades under administrations of both parties. There is no secret here. This is not a political argument. You either follow the overwhelming scientific evidence or you do not.

While those 100,000 American might be alive, a million others would have died from other issues as a result of such lockdown policies. We also have a thing called the constitution that literally gets in the way of having a national policy and for good reasons.

 

[el_super]

While those 100,000 American might be alive, a million others would have died from other issues as a result of such lockdown policies.

Can you cite a source for that?

We also have a thing called the constitution that literally gets in the way of having a national policy and for good reasons

That's not what the constitution does.

 

[chadwpalm]

Public Health Specialists worldwide have spoken very consistently on how to confront the pandemic.

It's as if you think archive.org doesn't exist.

April 1, 2020:
Center for Disease Control (CDC)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...019-ncov/prevent-getting-sick/prevention.html

World Health Organization (WHO)
https://web.archive.org/web/2020040...9/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

If we had followed the science (instead of politics) like Australia and Canada, over 100,000 Americans would still be alive. Instead the US Government threw away pandemic guidelines developed over decades under administrations of both parties.

There is no secret here. This is not a political argument.

 

[Figments Friend]

NOTE: My In-N-Out standard order - Double-Double, hold lettuce tomato, yes on onions but not grilled. Fries, with 2 packets of secret sauce. Medium root beer, or 7-Up. Maybe a chocolate shake if I'm being naughty.

TP, next time I am in town lunch is on me.
Chocolate shake, too.

Unless you really do want that fabulous REAL New England lobster roll I keep promising to smuggle onto my six hour coast to coast flight in a mini cooler to keep fresh.
I'd do it for you.



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[DanielBB8]

How do you figure? Public Health Specialists worldwide have spoken very consistently on how to confront the pandemic. Most wealthy nations had a national response--we did not. If we had followed the science (instead of politics) like Australia and Canada, over 100,000 Americans would still be alive. Instead the US Government threw away pandemic guidelines developed over decades under administrations of both parties. There is no secret here. This is not a political argument. You either follow the overwhelming scientific evidence or you do not.

The vast majority is seniors dying in seniors homes in large cities. Who makes the decisions there? Democratic Governors pretty consistently in Democratic states. It’s precisely politics that caused the deaths since they are opposed to any advice from our National government, which is our Federal Government. We live in Republican style government. Every state has sovereign control. The numbers seem large in aggregate, but in many states, there’s hardly any infections. And in the states where they recorded deaths, people may hsve complications of other physical conditions. That where the malpractice kicks in.

It’s funny how you keep saying “overwhelming scientific evidence”. No there’s not. The government still hasn’t approved a cure for COVID-19. Every day people are surviving the infections, but no drugs are Federally approved. It’s worse that some Governors tried to outlaw use of HCQ just because Trump touted it. Then the critics say don’t drink bleach. That’s like saying the use of disinfectants and UV is equivalent to drinking bleach. For the sake of discussion, it’s a disinformation, misdirection, and malpractice.

VP candidate Harris says she won’t use the vaccine once approved because she doesn’t trust Trump. This undermines the scientific community. Destroying trust in science is clearly coming from one political party causing chaos. The FDA and CDC won’t recommend the cure for years. The process to approve drugs actually takes many years of blind tests. This means half of all control groups get a placebo and risks contracting Covid-19 and dying. Perhaps this is why anecdotal evidence from real doctors using therapeutics that cures patients are routinely ignored.

 

[DanielBB8]

Huh? Where are you going? There is lots of indoor dining all over Orange County, but it is allowed there.

LA County doesn't have as much, but if you look, you can find them. Additionally, there are plenty of bars that have signs saying they are closed, yet lots of people going in and out of them in LA County.

We don't need any government interference, what we need to allow every business to reopen to whatever extent they and their customers feel safe in doing.

I haven't seen a store yet that is truly social distancing and the stores may say they have a mask requirement because they are being forced to do so, but the reality is most stores don't care.

Have you heard of “no masks no service.” Everyone is made to care or they’re shut down.

If you look around and find them, it’s clearly not about the guidance anymore.

 

[George Lucas on a Bench]

The face covering thing never made any sense to me, but then I'm a simple man, not a man of The Science. Even if the idea was to conserve face masks for medical personnel, they should have been telling people to wear face coverings early on. I fashioned my own in the early days of the plague while we were being told not to wear masks, including by Fauci.

 

[planodisney]

How do you figure? Public Health Specialists worldwide have spoken very consistently on how to confront the pandemic. Most wealthy nations had a national response--we did not. If we had followed the science (instead of politics) like Australia and Canada, over 100,000 Americans would still be alive. Instead the US Government threw away pandemic guidelines developed over decades under administrations of both parties. There is no secret here. This is not a political argument. You either follow the overwhelming scientific evidence or you do not.

So what percentage of those deaths would you personally attribute to the WHO and CDC telling people not to wear masks when the virus was initially spreading.
If masks are the holy grail of Covid protection, as both organizations now say, then telling healthy people not to wear them initially surely must be responsible for the spread and thousands of deaths.

 

[ToTBellHop]

The vast majority is seniors dying in seniors homes in large cities. Who makes the decisions there? Democratic Governors pretty consistently in Democratic states. It’s precisely politics that caused the deaths since they are opposed to any advice from our National government, which is our Federal Government. We live in Republican style government. Every state has sovereign control. The numbers seem large in aggregate, but in many states, there’s hardly any infections. And in the states where they recorded deaths, people may hsve complications of other physical conditions. That where the malpractice kicks in.

It’s funny how you keep saying “overwhelming scientific evidence”. No there’s not. The government still hasn’t approved a cure for COVID-19. Every day people are surviving the infections, but no drugs are Federally approved. It’s worse that some Governors tried to outlaw use of HCQ just because Trump touted it. Then the critics say don’t drink bleach. That’s like saying the use of disinfectants and UV is equivalent to drinking bleach. For the sake of discussion, it’s a disinformation, misdirection, and malpractice.

VP candidate Harris says she won’t use the vaccine once approved because she doesn’t trust Trump. This undermines the scientific community. Destroying trust in science is clearly coming from one political party causing chaos. The FDA and CDC won’t recommend the cure for years. The process to approve drugs actually takes many years of blind tests. This means half of all control groups get a placebo and risks contracting Covid-19 and dying. Perhaps this is why anecdotal evidence from real doctors using therapeutics that cures patients are routinely ignored.

Actually, the most troubling outbreaks presently are in areas with GOP interference in public health policy.

Sen. Harris said she would trust the likes of the FDA, CDC, and Dr. Fauci. Not the President. So she places her faith in the scientific community, not the President (who is NOT a scientist and likely copied classmates to pass any science classes in college).

But, live your truth. And for the record, I think Newsom is being overly-aggressive here given the situation in CA vs. other states. It’s time for parks to be given the chance to open with similar guidelines to, say, the San Diego Zoo. If any park cannot adequately maintain social distancing and mask compliance, the state should then be able to close them. But they should be given the opportunity.

 

[el_super]

If any park cannot adequately maintain social distancing and mask compliance, the state should then be able to close them. But they should be given the opportunity.

I will agree with this, with the caveat that if community transmission increases, or if contact tracing links an increase specifically to the park, that Disneyland be willing to shut down again for the good of the community.

I know it's a hard concept to understand for some, but if transmission increases again to levels where hospitals are risking capacity, and we return to the numbers we had when the parks voluntarily closed, the parks must close again. They must be forced to close no matter what level of perceived safety or compliance they have implemented.

 

[DanielBB8]

Actually, the most troubling outbreaks presently are in areas with GOP interference in public health policy.

Sen. Harris said she would trust the likes of the FDA, CDC, and Dr. Fauci. Not the President. So she places her faith in the scientific community, not the President (who is NOT a scientist and likely copied classmates to pass any science classes in college).

But, live your truth. And for the record, I think Newsom is being overly-aggressive here given the situation in CA vs. other states. It’s time for parks to be given the chance to open with similar guidelines to, say, the San Diego Zoo. If any park cannot adequately maintain social distancing and mask compliance, the state should then be able to close them. But they should be given the opportunity.

What's most troubling is Democratic Governors mandating the return of Covid-19 patients back to senior convalescent homes that caused the outbreak and deaths of many people's grandmothers. Governor Cuomo is culpable. What's most troubling is the double standard that allows political protests while having a different standard for businesses, churches, and entertainment.

Who the heck is making the vaccine? Why would you insist Trump is doing the work? That's a really awful thing to say. Dr. Fauci falsely insistsed we don't use masks and then said we should use them later. He is a befuddled Washington bureaucrat.

Wow, you say "live your truth" and acknowledge Newsom is "overly-aggressive". That's what I've been saying while LIVING MY TRUTH;. You're a real piece of work.

 

[DanielBB8]

Actually, the most troubling outbreaks presently are in areas with GOP interference in public health policy.

It can't be worse than Democratic interference in public health policy.

"FINALLY, STATES ARE RETRACTING HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE BANS
AUGUST 28, 2020

For mostly political reasons, hydroxychloroquine has become a highly controversial drug

In an abrupt about-face, the Ohio Board of Pharmacy and governor of Minnesota have recently retracted their decisions to ban the use of hydroxychloroquine to treat COVID-19 patients. As the saying goes, it’s better late than never.
For mostly political reasons, hydroxychloroquine has become a highly controversial drug. Ever since President Trump voiced his support for the drug as a viable treatment for coronavirus, the liberal mainstream media has gone berserk and have done all in their power to discredit hydroxychloroquine.
Keep in mind, the liberal mainstream media are not doctors."

 

[el_super]

Who the heck is making the vaccine? Why would you insist Trump is doing the work? That's a really awful thing to say. Dr. Fauci falsely insistsed we don't use masks and then said we should use them later. He is a befuddled Washington bureaucrat.

Getting new information and changing your mind, is not a sign of weakness or incompetence. It's is the fundamental principal of science, and knowing and understanding that makes one a smarter person.

 

[DanielBB8]

Getting new information and changing your mind, is not a sign of weakness or incompetence. It's is the fundamental principal of science, and knowing and understanding that makes one a smarter person.

This has nothing to do with it. It was a coverup. The entire medical community wanted masks to be rationed to medical professionals and not cause a run on masks. This REAL reason cause them to say the false one that we don't need masks. That's why they lost credibility.

 

[el_super]

This has nothing to do with it. It was a coverup. The entire medical community wanted masks to be rationed to medical professionals and not cause a run on masks. This REAL reason cause them to say the false one that we don't need masks. That's why they lost credibility.

They were absolutely right to do that. This wasn't a matter of trying to mislead people but rather an attempt to understand the situation and make a timely and smart decisions. Masks aren't needed if people are being advised to stay home in lockdown (which was the case originally). As the situation changed, so too did the recommendations.

The bigger travesty is that they had to be concerned about a mask shortage to begin with. Had there been adequate stockpiles, they may have been more open to pushing private individuals to wear them, but at a time when you don't know if you have enough for health care workers or first responders, let alone essential workers, what would you say? "They are absolutely needed but our federal government didn't prepare for this disaster and so you can't have them?"

Way to incite panic.

 

[LastoneOn]

Actually, the most troubling outbreaks presently are in areas with GOP interference in public health policy.

Sen. Harris said she would trust the likes of the FDA, CDC, and Dr. Fauci. Not the President. So she places her faith in the scientific community, not the President (who is NOT a scientist and likely copied classmates to pass any science classes in college).

But, live your truth. And for the record, I think Newsom is being overly-aggressive here given the situation in CA vs. other states. It’s time for parks to be given the chance to open with similar guidelines to, say, the San Diego Zoo. If any park cannot adequately maintain social distancing and mask compliance, the state should then be able to close them. But they should be given the opportunity.

LOL "GOP interference" Is there ever DNC interference? Apparently not. Certainly not in New York or California. Nope. Those New York and Californian politicians are the most non-partisan ethical humans on the planet! As for unions and government employees, turns out they're like the king on non-partisanship.

https://employeerightsact.com/wp-co...ERA_HowLaborUnionsFinanceTheirPolAgenda-2.pdf

CDC: don't wear masks CDC: wear masks CDC: masks better than vaccines CDC: research shows 70+ percent of people who got covid in July wore masks "all the time". And Harris trusts them??? Explain to me why this lady of superior judgment dropped out of her parties primary in December last year with what, 4% popularity, and now she's vp candidate??? We know about her dalliances with Willie Brown... who'd she "get to know" this time?