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maxairmike

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I'll go ahead and say it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with exposed track and supports, 0, even if it isn't "hidden" by excessively expensive decoration. It "intrudes" on other area themes as much as seeing the Contemporary from Liberty Square, or Swolphin from anywhere in Epcot, which is not at all. The obsession with having everything hidden in a box or themed to excessive expense is unnecessary and I don't get it. And I'm not just someone obsessed with coasters who thumbs my nose at the ultra-themed stuff. I can just appreciate a wide range without needing to thumb my nose at something (except for Scream, at least the big stain is pretty much gone...).
 
lazyboy97o

lazyboy97o

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maxairmike said:
I'll go ahead and say it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with exposed track and supports, 0, even if it isn't "hidden" by excessively expensive decoration. It "intrudes" on other area themes as much as seeing the Contemporary from Liberty Square, or Swolphin from anywhere in Epcot, which is not at all. The obsession with having everything hidden in a box or themed to excessive expense is unnecessary and I don't get it. And I'm not just someone obsessed with coasters who thumbs my nose at the ultra-themed stuff. I can just appreciate a wide range without needing to thumb my nose at something (except for Scream, at least the big stain is pretty much gone...).
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Context and prior poor decisions do not justify future ones.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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maxairmike said:
I'll go ahead and say it, there's absolutely nothing wrong with exposed track and supports, 0, even if it isn't "hidden" by excessively expensive decoration. It "intrudes" on other area themes as much as seeing the Contemporary from Liberty Square, or Swolphin from anywhere in Epcot, which is not at all. The obsession with having everything hidden in a box or themed to excessive expense is unnecessary and I don't get it. And I'm not just someone obsessed with coasters who thumbs my nose at the ultra-themed stuff. I can just appreciate a wide range without needing to thumb my nose at something (except for Scream, at least the big stain is pretty much gone...).
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To you.

Opinions and personal preferences.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
I don’t like the mummy much...but found it to be solid.

This is Everest debate though...with the yeti is was a really ingenious themed ride...without it its really a bland Lower mid level coaster. Just as mine train is a junior with a couple cool AAs.

But people are appalled if you say Everest isn’t great. Which is just allegiance to the mouse...not the ride quality.
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Not just the yeti -- also the fog at the top with the broken track. That was a much bigger part of the ride when you couldn't see it was coming, at least on your first ride.

I still really like Everest even without those effects, but a lot of that is just how great the queue is. There's not a ton of theming on the ride itself with those broken effects.
 
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_caleb

_caleb

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
That’s kind a silly, isn’t it?

“Imagineering” is a Disney way of doing things...and it costs a fortune that can be viewed many times as bad business.

You’re holding others to a goal they never attempted to achieve.
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Just sharing my opinions.

I put the word in quotation marks to try to differentiate. Disney certainly has its way of doing things, and that’s not the only way of doing things (or always even the best way!). But there are standards for placemaking, theming, and design beyond the Disney way.

I’m not sure what you think Busch Gardens is attempting to achieve (which seems to change over time), but they proudly boast about being the “World’s Most Beautiful Theme Park.”

It’s pretty obvious that Busch Gardens isn’t attempting to achieve Disney-level theming. But if we (on a Disney fan message board) are talking about the quality of theming, how can we not hold that as an example of the better end of the spectrum?

To me, it still comes down to exposed-track roller coasters. I don’t believe you can successfully theme a ride when the entire mechanism is visible as you walk up to it. You can say that we’re in a car on a roadway, on a ski lift, or an ancient Greek chariot, but if you have’t bothered to theme the track, I (the guest) am having to do all the “work” of pretending.

For some, the thrill is worth the conceit. For me, it’s not.
 
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maxairmike

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lazyboy97o said:
Context and prior poor decisions do not justify future ones.
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Obviously Disney shouldn't plop something in the middle of a land without any consideration or themeing at all, but that's also not what I'm saying. The general reaction whenever anyone sees obvious track/supports around here in any quantity at another park is like it's the end of the world, the worst thing ever to happen in the industry, and the attraction can't be considered a good attraction at all because *gasp* you can tell what kind of ride it is. It isn't any of that and it would be nice if people could actually appreciate the whole range instead of just glibly yelling about how it's horrible and objectively ruins everything when it doesn't.

UNCgolf said:
To you.

Opinions and personal preferences.
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No, objectively there is nothing wrong with something like Velocicoaster, Hulk, etc. Subjectively, yes, but it can still objectively be a great attraction that isn't disqualified simply because it isn't hidden in a box or surrounded in tens/hundreds of millions worth in decorations, and the park it resides in can still objectively be a great park with no asterisks or qualifiers. You don't typically do what others around here are hugely guilty of and I'm trying to get at, which is writing off attractions/parks wholesale because something isn't hidden in a box or excessively themed to their satisfaction.
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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maxairmike said:
No, objectively there is nothing wrong with something like Velocicoaster, Hulk, etc. Subjectively, yes, but it can still objectively be a great attraction that isn't disqualified simply because it isn't hidden in a box or surrounded in tens/hundreds of millions worth in decorations, and the park it resides in can still objectively be a great park with no asterisks or qualifiers. You don't typically do what others around here are hugely guilty of and I'm trying to get at, which is writing off attractions/parks wholesale because something isn't hidden in a box or excessively themed to their satisfaction.
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Everything you're saying is still subjective, though. Everything about rides, parks, etc. is subjective. Unless you're talking about hard numbers like how much a ride cost, how fast it goes, etc.

But I only think it's an issue at Disney because Disney strives to be a themed environment. If you're not trying to be a themed area, it doesn't make any difference (and doesn't affect the quality of the ride itself).
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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_caleb said:
To me, it still comes down to exposed-track roller coasters. I don’t believe you can successfully theme a ride when the entire mechanism is visible as you walk up to it. You can say that we’re in a car on a roadway, on a ski lift, or an ancient Greek chariot, but if you have’t bothered to theme the track, I (the guest) am having to do all the “work” of pretending.

For some, the thrill is worth the conceit. For me, it’s not.
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This is how I feel as well.

That doesn't mean a ride is bad, though. It just means it doesn't work for me personally. It all depends on what someone is looking for individually -- there are obviously plenty of people who are only interested in the thrill. Other people, like you and me, are interested in the theming and feeling like you've been transported to a different place.
 
Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Jrb1979 said:
To give you an idea. Here we have been around 1% positive and back up to 400 new cases and the government just pushed back groups to 10 indoors and 25 outdoors. Positivity should be under 1% and less then 200 cases.
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After six months...I think I’ve gotten the hang of this:

%positive and R rate indicate overall control to me. Hospitalizations would be the next priority.

And people smart enough to WORK THE PROBLEM...which hasn’t become standard yet
 
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maxairmike

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UNCgolf said:
Everything you're saying is still subjective, though. Everything about rides, parks, etc. is subjective.
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Again, I'm getting at the "I wouldn't set foot in Universal/SeaWorld/BG/etc. because they have ugly exposed steel rides," or "anything with a visible support is a piece of trash and the park it's in is too because of it" mindset that is unfortunately common. It's one thing to think the ride isn't as good as it maybe could be or isn't as good as another that is more highly themed (you'd still be wrong, but you're allowed to be 😝), but another to be in the mindset above.
 
Robbiem

Robbiem

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Sirwalterraleigh said:
Issue there is Orlando is the worst of the 3 I’ve rode by a lot. So in that context it’s not a very good ride in the sunshine state for me.
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interesting. How would you ratenthe various BTMs around the world?

I’ve not ridden the one at Disneyland. To me Paris has the most epic version and the island setting is really cool. I remember Tokyo being very similar to Florida but was a long time between visits so I might be wrong. Although its not Big Thunder the Gizzly minetrain in Hong Kong is a lot of fun
 

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