On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Heppenheimer]

36 crew infected on Hurtigruten ship: Passengers disembarked, potentially exposing communities

Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, the first to sail internationally since the pandemic began.

www.usatoday.com

Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, currently docked in Tromsø, Norway, according to a statement provided by line spokesperson Øystein Knoph.

But the virus might not have been contained onboard. Potentially impacted passengers from two separate voyages had already disembarked a cruise on July 24 and the last cruise on Friday, leaving ample time for passengers to begin their voyages home and potentially spread the virus.

Not sure if this is relevant to other cruise lines, but Hurtigruten is more like an upscake ferry service than a destination cruise experience. For them to attempt an earlier re-opening is more justifiable than, let's say, Carnival or Princess since some people in Norway likely depend on their routes for transportation.

 

[Lilofan]

First, Phone call from HR. If you don’t answer, you receive a certified mail for a return date.

There could be a delay in actually laying off staff in companies that the workers impacted work from home. If all were working in the office, the layoffs can be done efficiently and orderly. To contact impacted ones by phone ( if they even answer the phone ) could be a challenge.

 

[jpeden]

Two reasons:
1- A well integrated communications strategy that has made regular visits to Disney a rite of passage in the US (as well as other countries).
2- Making the parks more accessible to people that are a reasonably short drive away (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama) with monthly payment plans on annual passes

Did they used to have annual pass payment plans for those states? I can only ever remember them
Being available for Florida.

We live in GA and if we could get on a payment plan would have bought AP’s a long time ago.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

Two reasons:
1- A well integrated communications strategy that has made regular visits to Disney a rite of passage in the US (as well as other countries).
2- Making the parks more accessible to people that are a reasonably short drive away (Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, and Alabama) with monthly payment plans on annual passes

I would comment on "monthly payment plans for annual passes" but the last time I offered commentary on people making poor life decisions it didn't end well for me.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I would comment on "monthly payment plans for annual passes" but the last time I offered commentary on people making poor life decisions it didn't end well for me.

Ah, give it a go. Might turn out better this time.

 

[Lilofan]

He knew how to save his salary. He was proud of the fact as he advised CNN media that he worked all day, worked out in the company gym in the morning and slept on his couch in his office every night Mon- Fri then saw his family on weekends.

 

[mkt]

I would comment on "monthly payment plans for annual passes" but the last time I offered commentary on people making poor life decisions it didn't end well for me.

It’s a 0% loan. Free money.

Unlike what Dave Ramsey says, as long as you can afford it, it’s not a poor decision.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

They are similar in Florida. Honestly, a court of law never holds NDAs from former employers with much power or regard.
Think of it more as the industry being a smaller circle than many realize, and if you break one with another, it will not bode well for those you run into in the future. The ultimate goal is to be hired again.

Agree. The only success a non-compete can attain is if the former employer attaches severance conditions with the non-compete. It won't stop somebody from applying/getting hired. But it may subject some of the severance that was given to a claw-back. But as has been said, this really only happens with a select few.

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Did they used to have annual pass payment plans for those states? I can only ever remember them
Being available for Florida.

We live in GA and if we could get on a payment plan would have bought AP’s a long time ago.

No, I live in SC, and I have to pay in full.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Don't expect that as publically as they are not the same. You have heard about them the same way you heard about the others when a company does not confirm it with a Press Release. Having groups of Creative newbies or graphic designers, painters, scenic artists, directors etc is not as juicy(and by its nature, just as not as many to hear from) as hundreds of a common workforce to a city or hundreds of front line workers. There are many furloughed and NDA layoffs you never hear about as commonly as large workforces.

Very expected to be honest...they usually start laying creatives off it looks like a recession is coming for more than 72 hours. It’s good to work for disney only in a boom...employees are deck chairs on the titanic otherwise

You asked for corroboration to assist in satisfying your doubts. Then you said you did not know what would satisfy your doubts, and now you are asking for my specific source. More than three postings on here are alluding to that corroboration. I know it is the internet, but that is what you got. Giving you the source would be beyond that. I don't blame you for doubting it, but I am not going to give you the source. Universal has confirmed theirs. I have yet to see anything official from Disney yet.

Usually we DO hear something...one of the LA or Orlando papers get ahold of it within a few days
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They are similar in Florida. Honestly, a court of law never holds NDAs from former employers with much power or regard.
Think of it more as the industry being a smaller circle than many realize, and if you break one with another, it will not bode well for those you run into in the future. The ultimate goal is to be hired again.

Really anywhere..:ndas are a deterrent...not really substantive. Like police cars sitting outside a high school parking lot in plain view.

Did they used to have annual pass payment plans for those states? I can only ever remember them
Being available for Florida.

We live in GA and if we could get on a payment plan would have bought AP’s a long time ago.

I think not having installments - as all their competitors do...is outdated and silly. Hubris...typical Disney.

Because I can pay the $4,000 (which is shocking anyway you slice it) doesn’t mean the psychology wouldn’t be better/more palatable to break it up.

But...there has been some discussion/questions in recent years if they even want an annual pass? We know iger’s mentality and there is little doubt he sees it as a “discount”

After all...there is always a line of people out front waiting to get in at full price?

Just like there’s a line to buy those $195 points at Caribbean...and there was a line to buy those $355 rack rooms at wilderness lodge in 2014...

Amma right?!?

I would comment on "monthly payment plans for annual passes" but the last time I offered commentary on people making poor life decisions it didn't end well for me.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a payment plan if it’s no interest. Just like it’s stupid to pay cash at a car dealer if it’s 0.0% financing. As my accountant would say: “they’re loaning you their money...take it”

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No, I live in SC, and I have to pay in full.

Everywhere but Florida...and that is a dumb policy

 

[Lilofan]

It’s a 0% loan. Free money.

Unlike what Dave Ramsey says, as long as you can afford it, it’s not a poor decision.

Interest free loans are good if one is confident one can pay it off during the promotional period. I don't know a lot of people who are responsible enough to pay it off during the promo period.

 

[CaptainAmerica]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a payment plan if it’s no interest. Just like it’s stupid to pay cash at a car dealer if it’s 0.0% financing. As my accountant would say: “they’re loaning you their money...take it”

Okay first of all... If you're paying 0% interest on your car loan, you're paying a higher sales price than you could have otherwise negotiated. To get the lowest total cost, finance with the dealer at some higher interest rate and then pay off the whole thing 45 days later.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between people who can afford a purchase but CHOOSE to finance out of convenience versus people who CAN'T afford it and are suckered in by "low monthly payments."

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It’s a 0% loan. Free money.

Unlike what Dave Ramsey says, as long as you can afford it, it’s not a poor decision.

Exactly

 

[DVCakaCarlF]

Okay first of all... If you're paying 0% interest on your car loan, you're paying a higher sales price than you could have otherwise negotiated. To get the lowest total cost, finance with the dealer at some higher interest rate and then pay off the whole thing 45 days later.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between people who can afford a purchase but CHOOSE to finance out of convenience versus people who CAN'T afford it and are suckered in by "low monthly payments."

Negotiating the price of the purchase is not the same as negotiating the financing.

I always get to the price, and then negotiate the terms.

 

[flynnibus]

Negotiating the price of the purchase is not the same as negotiating the financing.

I always get to the price, and then negotiate the terms.

then you are cheating out sone info that can help you.

they get kickbacks for securing loans. The loans cost the dealer nothing... its profit for them. Profit they are could be counting when you are negotiating price.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Okay first of all... If you're paying 0% interest on your car loan, you're paying a higher sales price than you could have otherwise negotiated. To get the lowest total cost, finance with the dealer at some higher interest rate and then pay off the whole thing 45 days later.

Second of all, there's a huge difference between people who can afford a purchase but CHOOSE to finance out of convenience versus people who CAN'T afford it and are suckered in by "low monthly payments."

Wow...

You can negotiate the lowest price they’re gonna give you on a new car by pitting dealers against each other and still pay no interest.

And if you have the cash...you’re not gonna care too much about the trivial differences anyway.

And there isn’t that much play in a sticker anymore...the most you’ll get is dealer cash/incentives to drive quotas and those come with a tiny bit of patience.

You’re a car expert too? I have friends/acquaintances who work for Jag/Landrover, Audi, BMW, Toyota and Acura in fairly senior sales positions...can you call them up and tell them “how it is?”

As far as park passes goes...just like the CMs yesterday...you’re generalizing a huge market into all doing it the wrong way. We saw some complaining in March on the boards of “how am I gonna afford my pass if I lose my job?!?”

Yes...I agree with you. That show irresponsibility. But there’s not one size fit all their. I can pay my DVC dues in January in a transfer...or divided out 1/12 each month...
There’s no danger of the “check” bouncing and it costs the same. Only I can use the capital for more of the year in a payment plan.

 

[wdwtopten]

Here’s the difference: You don’t have to wear a damn mask when you go to a waterpark. The masks are the single most annoying thing that people absolutely hate for their vacations. If you get rid of the mask requirements when you are outside, everyone will come back fairly quickly. That’s why the national parks are doing such amazing numbers this year. That’s why water parks are doing well. No masks when outside.

I haven't read past page 1 so far, but the reason National Parks are "doing well" is because there is one within a few hours drive of almost anywhere. Flying is a nightmare now and most are not going to drive to WDW if they live, say, north of Tennessee or west of Alabama. That is why attendance is low, not the masks. Also, there is little to no international travel from overseas to the US now, so that hurts. It isn't the masks.

 

["El Gran Magnifico"]

The 0% interest plan is somewhat of a fallacy. It depends on how responsible the purchaser is. It is a fallacy to the extent that if you are using a credit card as your payment source and do not pay that balance off monthly you will be charged interest - just not from Disney.

If on the other hand you do pay the balance off monthly and/or tag it to a charge card like Amex and pay the bill in full - Then yes, it's an interest free plan.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

then you are cheating out sone info that can help you.

they get kickbacks for securing loans. The loans cost the dealer nothing... its profit for them. Profit they are could be counting when you are negotiating price.

Of course they get kickbacks...

But the consumer has the power...wait it out until you get a combination price and finance incentives you are happy with.

They have to move the car and you don’t have to take it. Fundamentally.

The worst thing anyone can do is be intent on driving off the lot and saying you need something or don’t want to draw it out. You’re dead right there.

Make them wait....they’ll come to you when the crunch is on...at least once a month.