On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Southwest basically called out their competitors that are planning layoff begining Oct 1 and that they will NOT be doing lay offs until they end of the year. They pride themselves on never having done a layoff which is unheard of in the airline industry.

Why would SW critic AA, UA etc in doing layoffs after Oct 1? The airlines got bailout money but had to be honest with their staff that if not enough folks take the buyout, there would be layoffs after Oct 1. United Airlines is expecting to layoff 46% of front line/salaried after Oct 1. The other person I know who works at UA did not take the buyout and is prepared for what may happen to him. Southwest to keep their team in the payroll until Dec 31 is noteworthy though. They have a good heart.
 

Nubs70

Well-Known Member
I just pray there isn’t a meaningful second spike. Yes, we had a trip and a cruise cancelled. Disappointing but hey. If Orlando has to go through this all over again, or worse, I don’t want to think what will happen, if it’s either well managed or mismanaged.
A recent cruise went out from Germany, very tight Covid precautions. Ship came back with many infected.
 

Dutch Inn '76

Well-Known Member
When Universal opened here in FL, they didn't come even remotely close... Now days, it feels like they're starting to give Disney a run for their money in part because they've really stepped up their game... and sadly in part, because Disney's apparently decided to meet them in the middle.

I've been going to WDW since the '70s, and its better now than it was then. Yes, they made some changes that I wish they had not made, (Mr Toad, gutting the Main Street shops...) but I understand why they made the changes, and they are entirely defensible. For the most part, the only bad change is the ridiculous cost.

To those of you who are new to WDW: yes, you've missed some great times there, but it's still a great place - and once we get through this Coronavirus disaster, it will be awesome again.
 

Dutch Inn '76

Well-Known Member
As someone who didn’t visit until 2015 and has been wrongly labeled as a “pixie-duster” before, I’ll say that I’m certain both Disneyland and WDW (but especially WDW) peaked long before I set foot in either.

The problem is, even if Disney falls so far short of what it could and should be - we live in a world of relativity rather than absolutism, and every other theme park on American soil pretty much sucks.

The good news is that WDW did not "peak" long ago. It is constantly evolving, and that evolution will bring changes good and bad - but like the stock market - you hope that you're moving up over time. I think WDW does that.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Can anyone corroborate that layoffs actually happened within the past few days? I'm not doubting that they could happen. But, we have insiders saying it's coming. One Insider saying it probably happened. And then someone saying it did happen. I just find it odd that there aren't more sources corroborating that layoffs happened in the past 2 days
 

Lilofan

Well-Known Member
Can anyone corroborate that layoffs actually happened within the past few days? I'm not doubting that they could happen. But, we have insiders saying it's coming. One Insider saying it probably happened. And then someone saying it did happen. I just find it odd that there aren't more sources corroborating that layoffs happened in the past 2 days
If Iger/Chapek uses "buzzwords" to describe during the Wall Street conference call this upcoming Tuesday and words like ongoing, underway, etc that should explain some things.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Can anyone corroborate that layoffs actually happened within the past few days? I'm not doubting that they could happen. But, we have insiders saying it's coming. One Insider saying it probably happened. And then someone saying it did happen. I just find it odd that there aren't more sources corroborating that layoffs happened in the past 2 days

Outside of a company offiical announcement, what would satisfy you? It is understandable that you doubt the people that have said it has likely happened or has happened because they have heard or know their sources are trustworthy on the matter. But outside of the official statement or stalking someone's linked in not under NDA would satisfy you? How would another poster on the internet statisfy?
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Outside of a company offiical announcement, what would satisfy you? We get it, you doubt the people that have said it has likely happened or has happened because they have heard or know their sources are trustworthy on the matter. But outside of the official statement or stalking someone's linked in not under NDA would satisfy you? How would another poster on the internet would statisfy your answer?
I don't know, I was sort of expecting that we would hear about these layoffs like all the other layoffs we heard about. And in all those other cases it was considered common knowledge and many people corroborated it.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
I don't know, I was sort of expecting that we would hear about these layoffs like all the other layoffs we heard about. And in all those other cases it was considered common knowledge and many people corroborated it.

Don't expect that as publically as they are not the same. You have heard about them the same way you heard about the others when a company does not confirm it with a Press Release. Having groups of Creative newbies or graphic designers, painters, scenic artists, directors etc is not as juicy(and by its nature, just as not as many to hear from) as hundreds of a common workforce to a city or hundreds of front line workers. There are many furloughed and NDA layoffs you never hear about as commonly as large workforces.
 

MisterPenguin

President of Animal Kingdom
Premium Member
Don't expect that as publically as they are not the same. You have heard about them the same way you heard about the others when a company does not confirm it with a Press Release. Having groups of Creative newbies or graphic designers, painters, scenic artists, directors etc is not as juicy(and by its nature, just as not as many to hear from) as hundreds of a common workforce to a city or hundreds of front line workers. There are many furloughed and NDA layoffs you never hear about as commonly as large workforces.

Okay then, you said that there were layoffs. So, what's your source?
 

Rider

Well-Known Member
A recent cruise went out from Germany, very tight Covid precautions. Ship came back with many infected.
Was that TUI?




Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, currently docked in Tromsø, Norway, according to a statement provided by line spokesperson Øystein Knoph.

But the virus might not have been contained onboard. Potentially impacted passengers from two separate voyages had already disembarked a cruise on July 24 and the last cruise on Friday, leaving ample time for passengers to begin their voyages home and potentially spread the virus.
 

"El Gran Magnifico"

If she weighs the same as a duck…
Premium Member



Thirty-six crew members have tested positive for COVID-19 onboard Hurtigruten's MS Roald Amundsen, currently docked in Tromsø, Norway, according to a statement provided by line spokesperson Øystein Knoph.

But the virus might not have been contained onboard. Potentially impacted passengers from two separate voyages had already disembarked a cruise on July 24 and the last cruise on Friday, leaving ample time for passengers to begin their voyages home and potentially spread the virus.


Thanks. TUI went out last week. Seems - so far, so good (for them). I believe MSC is giving it a go this month. Europe and the River Cruise Lines I think come back first.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
Okay then, you said that there were layoffs. So, what's your source?

You asked for corroboration to assist in satisfying your doubts. Then you said you did not know what would satisfy your doubts, and now you are asking for my specific source. More than three postings on here are alluding to that corroboration. I know it is the internet, but that is what you got. Giving you the source would be beyond that. I don't blame you for doubting it, but I am not going to give you the source. Universal has confirmed theirs. I have yet to see anything official from Disney yet.
 

bryanfze55

Well-Known Member
When Universal opened here in FL, they didn't come even remotely close... Now days, it feels like they're starting to give Disney a run for their money in part because they've really stepped up their game... and sadly in part, because Disney's apparently decided to meet them in the middle.

I agree that their new offerings are pretty much equivalent to each other. After all, Disney has basically decided they need to mimic Universal. It’s the stuff that Disney built before Universal was a serious competitor that sets them apart.

I was looking forward to Epic Universe. If Universal can find a way to replace some of their low-quality lands (Kidzone, Toon Lagoon) with concepts from EU, I think they could supplant WDW as the king of the East Coast. Right now, the guest experience at Universal is better, the hotels are better quality for the price, and the rides are equivalent. But Universal is still behind, on average, in the theming and atmosphere department.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
It depends on the severance agreement on how present you will see it. If they were with the company long enough for that, they can absolutely have an agreement that they not work in the industry for the time. After notice, the employee typically has 21 days to decide if they agree to the terms or not. 7 days after signature to revoke. If you want to look at freelancers on LinkedIn for the more wet behind the ears crowd, you can do that too.
Non competes are essentially worthless in california - no company even bothers anymore. Given disney’s split location... i’d wonder if they try making separate rules for fl. And certainly wouldn’t spend the energy to enforce unless you are someone significant or it leads to some significant transfer of ip.
 

celluloid

Well-Known Member
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Non competes are essentially worthless in california - no company even bothers anymore. Given disney’s split location... i’d wonder if they try making separate rules for fl. And certainly wouldn’t spend the energy to enforce unless you are someone significant or it leads to some significant transfer of ip.

They are similar in Florida. Honestly, a court of law never holds NDAs from former employers with much power or regard.
Think of it more as the industry being a smaller circle than many realize, and if you break one with another, it will not bode well for those you run into in the future. The ultimate goal is to be hired again.
 

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