On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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Rider said:
I live in Florida. I'm at Epcot right now. People are just fine here.

Masks are not for fun. They are to help stop this virus and save lives.

I'm sorry you don't like facts that disagree with your premise. Most Americans are willing to wear masks to stop this deadly virus.
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I agree with your first two paragraphs in general...

The problem is the third.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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Rider said:
I live in Florida. I'm at Epcot right now. People are just fine here.

Masks are not for fun. They are to help stop this virus and save lives.

I'm sorry you don't like facts that disagree with your premise. Most Americans are willing to wear masks to stop this deadly virus.
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This isn’t a matter of “I don’t want to wear a mask”. It’s a matter of “I don’t want to spend thousands on a vacation to WDW if I have to wear a mask in the uncomfortable heat for 15 hours.”

As a Florida resident, this reasoning doesn’t apply to you. It also explains why you don’t get it. WDW as it stands is a luxury to those who aren’t locals. If you aren’t getting an experience worth the money, why go?
 
brb1006

brb1006

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rk03221 said:
Iger fixed all of Eisners mess. I highly recommend you watch anything on what DCA was when it first opened, it was embarrassing. Eisner almost lost Pixar, while Iger purchased it along with Star Wars and marvel. The “Save Disney” campaign was launched by Roy Disney jr. to save the company from Eisners mess. Iger has been the best CEO of the company since Walt.

Eisner has also been responsible for:
Dinoland
HK Disneyland (Never has had one (Profitable year)
Walt Disney studios in Paris (complete dump)
Do I need to go on?
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Iger doesn't have the same charisma as Eisner when it comes to speeches and televised apperances. I remember Eisner showed up in a lot of old Disney TV Specials, love the guy or not. He at least had some sort of charm. Iger's just to stern and serious.
 
brb1006

brb1006

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PhotoDave219 said:
Thats a damn good question.

And o be honest, those of us who went between 2002-2005 were spoiled by low crowds. It was damn enjoyable.
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I remember my first visit to Magic Kingdom (circa 2004) my memory is vivid. But I do remember it wasn't as stressful compared to now. In a way, it felt more "peaceful" since guests weren't like they are today (pre-Magic Bands). The shops still had some good merch and the trees were still around.
 
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BrianLo

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disneygeek90 said:
Not sure if it’s been mentioned, but Universal is virtually turning a day ticket into an AP that lasts through 2020.

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It begins! Depending on how one does this math this is a nearly 55% discount on an annual pass. Which was already pretty steeply affordable for residents - in my opinion.

I think we're going to see a hard stop on the annual / semi-annual ticket prices hikes for the next little while. I don't think they will be bold enough to cut the actual hard ticket prices. But we're going back to the days of sub-100$ one day tickets very quickly (with semi-permanent promotions).
 
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Lilofan

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brb1006 said:
I remember my first visit to Magic Kingdom (circa 2004) my memory is vivid. But I do remember it wasn't as stressful compared to now. In a way, it felt more "peaceful" since guests weren't like they are today (pre-Magic Bands).
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Less technology back then. Getting fast passes was getting in first thing in the morning walking from attraction to attraction. No one looking and staring into their smartphones.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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brb1006 said:
Iger doesn't have the same charisma as Eisner when it comes to speeches and televised apperances. I remember Eisner showed up in a lot of old Disney TV Specials, love the guy or not. He at least had some sort of charm. Iger's just to stern and serious.
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Eisner really seemed to understand the need to market himself as a “character”. We all know that Walt did this pretty well. You become more impressionable and beloved to the audience as a face of the company.

Iger’s biggest mistake was remaining behind closed doors for the majority of his tenure. When he came out, it was too little too late. I fear Chapek will do the same thing.

Let’s look at Nintendo again. The Wii U era was very damaging for their reputation. But their CEO and American president both put themselves out there. Reggie Fils Aime And Satoru Iwata were loved by the fans. It almost softened the blow on their disappointing output in the early - mid 2010s. If the Disney Executives did the same, the effect would be similar.
 
asianway

asianway

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brb1006 said:
I remember my first visit to Magic Kingdom (circa 2004) my memory is vivid. But I do remember it wasn't as stressful compared to now. In a way, it felt more "peaceful" since guests weren't like they are today (pre-Magic Bands).
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I’d have assumed your first visit was closer to 1994, with your knowledge
 
Rider

Rider

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Brer Oswald said:
This isn’t a matter of “I don’t want to wear a mask”. It’s a matter of “I don’t want to spend thousands on a vacation to WDW if I have to wear a mask in the uncomfortable heat for 15 hours.”

As a Florida resident, this reasoning doesn’t apply to you. It also explains why you don’t get it. WDW as it stands is a luxury to those who aren’t locals. If you aren’t getting an experience worth the money, why go?
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Don't knock it until you've tried it. Frankly I'm standing in full sun right now waiting for food and my face is a lot cooler than my arms or legs. The mask is a great sun block.

It's also pretty busy today.

 
brb1006

brb1006

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Lilofan said:
Less technology back then. Getting fast passes was getting in first thing in the morning walking from attraction to attraction. No one looking and staring into their smartphones.
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I still own some old Walt Disney World planning videos that advertised the then new "Fast Pass" system (2000 and 2001). It was released during the 100 Years of Magic Celebration.

Out of all the Disney Planning videos, this was the one I watched the most as a kid.

Here's the 2000 video


Just watching the Planning Video from 2001 is already making me miss this Disney. Those videos actually felt welcoming and genuine compared to anything from the "Disney Parks' blog.
 
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brb1006

brb1006

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Brer Oswald said:
Eisner really seemed to understand the need to market himself as a “character”. We all know that Walt did this pretty well. You become more impressionable and beloved to the audience as a face of the company.

Iger’s biggest mistake was remaining behind closed doors for the majority of his tenure. When he came out, it was too little too late. I fear Chapek will do the same thing.

Let’s look at Nintendo again. The Wii U era was very damaging for their reputation. But their CEO and American president both put themselves out there. Reggie Fils Aime And Satoru Iwata were loved by the fans. It almost softened the blow on their disappointing output in the early - mid 2010s. If the Disney Executives did the same, the effect would be similar.
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Don't get me started with Chapek, his various speeches for D23 seemed way to forced. I can't put my finger on it though, maybe he's forcing his optimism or something.
 
Brer Oswald

Brer Oswald

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Rider said:
Don't knock it until you've tried it. Frankly I'm standing in full sun right now waiting for food and my face is a lot cooler than my arms or legs. The mask is a great sun block.

It's also pretty busy today.

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But the big question would be “how long will your visit to the park be”? 3-5 hours and 12 hours are two different beasts. If I was a local with an annual pass, and the weather wasn’t too rough, dropping by the park for a couple of hours and wearing a mask is no issue. But if I’m booking a hotel and coming on a vacation, I’m going to want to stay the entire day. Why wouldn’t I wait till restrictions are lifted and park hours get better? Even if it takes years.

If you’re pretty much staying from park opening to close, more power to you. You at least have a valid reason to tell people to suck it up if that’s the case.
 
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Lilofan

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brb1006 said:
Don't get me started with Chapek, his various speeches for D23 seemed way to forced. I can't put my finger on it though, maybe he's forcing his optimism or something.
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Between Iger who have up his CEO role and it went to Chapek, Iger is supposed to leave at the end of 2021 which is the end of his contract. It would not surprise if he departs much earlier than that.
 
Rider

Rider

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Brer Oswald said:
But the big question would be “how long will your visit to the park be”? 3-5 hours and 12 hours are two different beasts. If I was a local with an annual pass, and the weather wasn’t too rough, dropping by the park for a couple of hours and wearing a mask is no issue. But if I’m booking a hotel and coming on a vacation, I’m going to want to stay the entire day. Why wouldn’t I wait till restrictions are lifted and park hours get better? Even if it takes years.

If you’re pretty much staying from park opening to close, more power to you. You at least have a valid reason to tell people to suck it up if that’s the case.
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I've been to the parks 5 days now. Last weekend I went 3 days in a row (AK, MK, and HS). At each park I was there almost the whole day. It was completely manageable.

My feet were in a lot worse shape than my face or lungs after that weekend.
 

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