Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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dig311dug

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Phil12 said:
They chose to re-theme it because it is deeply flawed. You may believe otherwise, but you'll only be fooling yourself and ignoring the truth of the matter. And that's fine with me. Splash Mountain is based upon the movie Song of the South which Bob Iger says, "Is not appropriate in today's world". Hence the attraction is not appropriate either. It's not complicated.
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Iger is/was a terrible CEO who practically bankrupted the company so don’t take his word as gospel.
 
Phil12

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ImperfectPixie said:
Again...deeply flawed is an opinion. I'm not ignoring the truth of anything. That Disney as a company sees it as flawed is STILL an OPINION.
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The movie Song of the South was controversial from its release and over the years the controversy has increased.

Since Disney owns it, their opinion is important. That carries a lot more weight than your thoughts on the matter. They have locked the movie into their vault and decided to dispose of the current Splash Mountain theme due to valid concerns of overt racism in the movie and the attraction. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. TWDC has taken these actions because the movie and the attraction are deeply flawed due to conspicuous racist displays in both. This is simply a case of you denying the facts and the truth of the matter.

And I think that is a serious part of the problem. The reason why TWDC refuses to re-release the film Song of the South is in part because of people who deny or excuse the racist elements of the film. The famous and highly respected film critic Roger Ebert normally is adamantly against keeping films locked away from public view. Yet in the case of Song of the South he supported Disney's decision to keep this film locked in their vault.

You fail to see the deep flaws that many other people see. But Disney clearly sees the deep flaws in both the movie and the attraction and they have long ago taken action concerning the movie and they are about to take action concerning the attraction. They would not take such action if these properties were flawless.
 
ImperfectPixie

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Phil12 said:
The movie Song of the South was controversial from its release and over the years the controversy has increased.

Since Disney owns it, their opinion is important. That carries a lot more weight than your thoughts on the matter. They have locked the movie into their vault and decided to dispose of the current Splash Mountain theme due to valid concerns of overt racism in the movie and the attraction. That's not my opinion. That's a fact. TWDC has taken these actions because the movie and the attraction are deeply flawed due to conspicuous racist displays in both. This is simply a case of you denying the facts and the truth of the matter.

And I think that is a serious part of the problem. The reason why TWDC refuses to re-release the film Song of the South is in part because of people who deny or excuse the racist elements of the film. The famous and highly respected film critic Roger Ebert normally is adamantly against keeping films locked away from public view. Yet in the case of Song of the South he supported Disney's decision to keep this film locked in their vault.

You fail to see the deep flaws that many other people see. But Disney clearly sees the deep flaws in both the movie and the attraction and they have long ago taken action concerning the movie and they are about to take action concerning the attraction. They would not take such action if these properties were flawless.
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“Flawless” is also subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I would really suggest you do some reading up on the difference between provable fact and opinion.

That the debate has continued for at least a decade is proof that both the film and the attraction are problematic. That does not equal “flawed” or “flawless”.
 
Phil12

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ImperfectPixie said:
“Flawless” is also subjective and in the eye of the beholder.

I would really suggest you do some reading up on the difference between provable fact and opinion.

That the debate has continued for at least a decade is proof that both the film and the attraction are problematic. That does not equal “flawed” or “flawless”.
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The material facts of the matter are the same and not in dispute. You have chosen to make this a dispute of semantics since that is the last tiny piece of argument you logically have left.

But it's fitting that your argument also embraces a small minority opinion as well. If Walt were alive today, he would deeply apologize for making of Song of the South just as other show business personalities have apologized for their insensitive treatment of black people.

But of course Walt isn't here. So executives of the company have decided not to further distribute or sell a movie that is steeped in racism and they've also decided to re-theme Splash Mountain for the same reason.

Those are what we call provable facts yet you wish to think it's just my opinion. Well, I suppose I should be flattered to think that my opinion is so very powerful!
 
Phil12

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dig311dug said:
@Phil12 you keep saying “Disney”...Walt is dead and it’s the money hungry CEOs that have been calling the shots about releasing SotS or not... whatever will appease the share holders. Walt would never have hidden it away in the vaults for it to languish as some sort of dirty secret.
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If Walt were alive today he would openly apologize for Song of the South. Insulting your audience is not a good business model and above all Walt was a great businessman!
 
George

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If Walt were alive today he’d be hawking his vitamin infused cigarettes that helped create his stupendously robust pulmonary and cardiovascular system. Further, he’d spend a lot of time trying to make sure that his clone was kept a secret so that he could quietly continue to harvest fresh organs. I guess Song of the South apology tour would be third after those.
 
Brer Oswald

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If Walt lived into the home video era, which was unlikely regardless, SotS would’ve released like all of the other films. It’s reputation would have been at the level of Dumbo or Peter Pan at absolute worst.

You really have to understand that this mythos that it’s the “most racist thing the company’s made” is due to the fact that it hasn’t been released on video in the States. It’s easy to pawn it off as “everything that was wrong with old Disney and old America”. It really isn’t. I get that the dialect makes people uncomfortable, and there’s some stereotypes evocative of a different era. But it’s not an insult to anyone. It raises questions but it doesn’t make racist or negative statements.

It would definitely need an intricate introduction if ever released to provide proper context.
 
ImperfectPixie

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Phil12 said:
The material facts of the matter are the same and not in dispute. You have chosen to make this a dispute of semantics since that is the last tiny piece of argument you logically have left.

But it's fitting that your argument also embraces a small minority opinion as well. If Walt were alive today, he would deeply apologize for making of Song of the South just as other show business personalities have apologized for their insensitive treatment of black people.

But of course Walt isn't here. So executives of the company have decided not to further distribute or sell a movie that is steeped in racism and they've also decided to re-theme Splash Mountain for the same reason.

Those are what we call provable facts yet you wish to think it's just my opinion. Well, I suppose I should be flattered to think that my opinion is so very powerful!
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You obviously still don't understand the difference between a provable fact and opinion. Good to know.

Fact: They decided not to further distribute the movie.
Your opinion: The movie is steeped in racism.

If you left everything subjective out of your comments, you might actually have a leg to stand on...but you are completely incapable of doing so...so this conversation is over.
 
Brer Oswald

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Came across this nice conversation between Floyd Norman and Leonard Maltin on YouTube.



I’d definitely give it a listen, although it doesn’t have much to do with the topic at hand. However, if you look behind Norman, there’s numerous drawings of Disney characters, presumably done by him. Look who’s in the top right corner. :)
 
Incomudro

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ImperfectPixie said:
You obviously still don't understand the difference between a provable fact and opinion. Good to know.

Fact: They decided not to further distribute the movie.
Your opinion: The movie is steeped in racism.

If you left everything subjective out of your comments, you might actually have a leg to stand on...but you are completely incapable of doing so...so this conversation is over.
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I don't even read his posts, I can't get beyond a couple of words before bailing.
I do however read posts like yours that are in response to his.
Thank you for having the fortitude that I lack.
 
Brer Oswald

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Hate to call you out @GrandCanyonConcourse, as you seem to be a fellow Big Brother fan, but since this is the Politics board, I’d appreciate if you’d stop reacting to my posts with the “Laugh emoji” if you disagree with them.

I put a lot of effort into what I post, to make sure it’s as objective as possible and word it to not me offend anyone.

I’ve helf my tongue up until now, but each instance of that has hurt a bit more. I think it’s just fine to agree to disagree. Ignore the posts you don’t agree with. We aren’t changing each other’s minds. And feel free to discuss Big Brother with me on the other side of the boards, if you’d like.
 
ImperfectPixie

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Brer Oswald said:
Hate to call you out @GrandCanyonConcourse, as you seem to be a fellow Big Brother fan, but since this is the Politics board, I’d appreciate if you’d stop reacting to my posts with the “Laugh emoji” if you disagree with them.

I put a lot of effort into what I post, to make sure it’s as objective as possible and word it to not me offend anyone.

I’ve helf my tongue up until now, but each instance of that has hurt a bit more. I think it’s just fine to agree to disagree. Ignore the posts you don’t agree with. We aren’t changing each other’s minds. And feel free to discuss Big Brother with me on the other side of the boards, if you’d like.
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Since this thread is now in the Politics section, the use of the laugh emoji is not allowed, unless it is to laugh WITH someone.
 
aw14

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ImperfectPixie said:
Same here. That people think it's okay to use the same tactics as bullies simply because an interaction is limited to text on a page is sad.
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I agree to a point. Probably also good for people here to realize they are just words on a screen & not to take things too personally. People here don’t know each other in real life, so the impact should be limited. Hopefully.

Not directed at you specifically.
 
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