Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Brer Oswald]

I agree to a point. Probably also good for people here to realize they are just words on a screen & not to take things too personally. People here don’t know each other in real life, so the impact should be limited. Hopefully.

Not directed at you specifically.

I shouldn’t have used the word “hurts”. It more so “annoys”.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Yes he would. Song of the South premiered at the Fox Theater in Atlanta, Ga in 1946. Atlanta was a segregated city back then and James Baskett (Uncle Remus) did not attend because, by law, he would not be able to participate in any of the events.

It was clearly more important to celebrate the white author Joel Chandler Harris at the expense of the star of the film.

Walt would be a complete fool not to apologize for such conduct.

So he would apologize for the Premiere fiasco and not the actual film itself? Yeah he probably would. He seemed pretty upset about that regardless.

 

[Brer Oswald]

So, the conversation is not over after all. Why? Because you still feel the need defend your indefensible position. Face it. You lost.

No. They didn’t at all. Your singular piece of evidence doesn’t back the claim that the film is “steeped in racism”.

And don’t think I don’t recognize these tactics you’re trying to pull. You’re trying ever so hard to bait people. Please stop. It isn’t amusing to anyone but yourself. The maturity level of these Forums should be higher than that of 4Chan. Let’s not stoop that low. You can disagree and argue, but make sure you understand what you’re talking about if you can’t handle being proven wrong.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

So, the conversation is not over after all. Why? Because you still feel the need defend your indefensible position. Face it. You lost.

You saying I lost doesn't make it true. You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper because you are unable to set aside your emotions and limit your conversation to provable facts - which is all I have been asking for, and which you continuously fail to provide.

During this particular conversation, I have taken no position on the film or the ride...I have set aside my personal beliefs.

There are five facts present: SotS is a problematic film in the United States. Splash Mountain is tied to SotS. Disney decided to cease distribution of the film SotS in the United States. SotS is still available for purchase outside of the United States. Disney decided to re-theme Splash Mountain.

Think about that 4th fact...why do you think SotS is still available for purchase around the world with the exception of the United States? I would posit that it's because the United States is the only place where the film is interpreted as being "racist", and the reason for that is because there are people who profit on race issues continuing - and getting worse - within our country. Walt Disney wouldn't have made the film if he didn't love the source material to begin with...and that is quite the opposite of racism.

 

[LittleBuford]

I could be mistaken, but I don’t believe @Phil12 is being serious in his posts. Many of them read as parodies to me. I wouldn’t pay them too much heed.

 

[Brer Oswald]

I could be mistaken, but I don’t believe @Phil12 is being serious in his posts. Many of them read as parodies to me. I wouldn’t pay them too much heed.

It reads as pure trolling to me. But I think ImperfectPixie has made some good points in spite of the trolling.

 

[LittleBuford]

It reads as pure trolling to me. But I think ImperfectPixie has made some good points in spite of the trolling.

That’s sort of what I was saying. It’s trolling, though of the satirical rather than of the intentionally malicious kind.

 

[Little Green Men]

Hate to call you out @GrandCanyonConcourse, as you seem to be a fellow Big Brother fan, but since this is the Politics board, I’d appreciate if you’d stop reacting to my posts with the “Laugh emoji” if you disagree with them.

I put a lot of effort into what I post, to make sure it’s as objective as possible and word it to not me offend anyone.

I’ve helf my tongue up until now, but each instance of that has hurt a bit more. I think it’s just fine to agree to disagree. Ignore the posts you don’t agree with. We aren’t changing each other’s minds. And feel free to discuss Big Brother with me on the other side of the boards, if you’d like.

Hey nice to meet a BB fan! I apologize, i did not mean it to hurt your feelings. Did you hear BB22 may be all stars?

 

[Brer Oswald]

Hey nice to meet a BB fan! I apologize, i did not mean it to hurt your feelings. Did you hear BB22 may be all stars?

No worries, and I appreciate the response!
I did hear about “All Stars 2”, and I’m super excited, albeit a little bit concerned that they aren’t going to pull from anyone before S16.

 

[manmythlegend]

No worries, and I appreciate the response!
I did hear about “All Stars 2”, and I’m super excited, albeit a little bit concerned that they aren’t going to pull from anyone before S16.

Dr Will please, that would be huge. And Janelle.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Dr Will please, that would be huge. And Janelle.

Dr Will will (sadly) never come back. He’s just not interested, not to mention the fact that he’s currently dealing with a legal team to protect his family from Mike Boogie.

Janelle would be great. She was rumoured for this season, but she’s denied it, and I think she’s telling the truth. She just wants to spend time with her kids.

 

[Phil12]

This comes from TIME:

But Splash Mountain had its supporters. Another online petition asked that the ride remain in its current incarnation.

“Many adults and children ride this attraction because it brings back childhood memories,” the “Keep Splash Mountain” petition said. “Disney already took out the racist songs which was a good move on their part.”

Disney Theme Parks 'Recasting' Splash Mountain, Water Ride With Ties to Movie With Racist Tropes

Disney officials say the reimagined ride will be based on the 2009 movie 'The Princess and the Frog'

time.com

 

[Phil12]

You saying I lost doesn't make it true. You keep digging yourself in deeper and deeper because you are unable to set aside your emotions and limit your conversation to provable facts - which is all I have been asking for, and which you continuously fail to provide.

During this particular conversation, I have taken no position on the film or the ride...I have set aside my personal beliefs.

There are five facts present: SotS is a problematic film in the United States. Splash Mountain is tied to SotS. Disney decided to cease distribution of the film SotS in the United States. SotS is still available for purchase outside of the United States. Disney decided to re-theme Splash Mountain.

Think about that 4th fact...why do you think SotS is still available for purchase around the world with the exception of the United States? I would posit that it's because the United States is the only place where the film is interpreted as being "racist", and the reason for that is because there are people who profit on race issues continuing - and getting worse - within our country. Walt Disney wouldn't have made the film if he didn't love the source material to begin with...and that is quite the opposite of racism.

Nice try but you can't rewrite history. History for the win!

 

[manmythlegend]

Dr Will will (sadly) never come back. He’s just not interested, not to mention the fact that he’s currently dealing with a legal team to protect his family from Mike Boogie.

Janelle would be great. She was rumoured for this season, but she’s denied it, and I think she’s telling the truth. She just wants to spend time with her kids.

Yeah I mean if it's the usual suspects like Josh, Davonne, and Bailey, I probably won't watch. Maybe if they get Derek I would watch but something tells me he won't want to leave his family again.

Need some OGs in there.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Nice try but you can't rewrite history. History for the win!

Wrong again. I'm not rewriting anything - people who knew Walt Disney personally have said how much he loved the source material.

Go back under your rock and don't tag me again.

ETA: A quote from Joe Schmoe who wrote a petition, does not a legitimate source or fact make.

 

[Phil12]

I could be mistaken, but I don’t believe @Phil12 is being serious in his posts. Many of them read as parodies to me. I wouldn’t pay them too much heed.

Frankly, I find racism to be abhorrent. However, when people chose to ignore the blatant racism which is completely apparent in Splash Mountain, I have to wonder what motivates this willful action of turning a blind eye.

Facts directly linking Splash Mountain to its racist origins seem to fall on deaf ears to wit:

The cartoon characters of Br'er Rabbitt, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear are directly taken from the 1946 movie, "Song of the South". All these characters use a dialect of African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) that is specifically crafted to mock and disparage African Americans and in particular the antagonists, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear.

The word "Br'er" is a direct racial stereotype and use of AAVE slang taken from the Joel Chandler Harris stories. The word "Br'er" means brother.

The origin of the song, "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" is from “O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day”, chorus to an old minstrel song popularized by George Washington Dixon who became a star performing in blackface.

Therefore, since facts don't seem to work, I thought humor might help get the point across. Or it could be that some people are so entrenched in their belief that Splash Mountain is indeed not at all racist, despite all the abundance of evidence to the contrary, that nothing will suffice to allow them to see the truth.

But make no mistake, humor is just one vehicle in which I ride.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

For all those who insist that SotS is "steeped in racism"...

Go watch Princess and the Frog and please explain why the use of dialects and stereotypes is okay in that film, but not okay in SotS.

 

[Brer Oswald]

Frankly, I find racism to be abhorrent. However, when people chose to ignore the blatant racism which is completely apparent in Splash Mountain, I have to wonder what motivates this willful action of turning a blind eye.

Facts directly linking Splash Mountain to its racist origins seem to fall on deaf ears to wit:

The cartoon characters of Br'er Rabbitt, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear are directly taken from the 1946 movie, "Song of the South". All these characters use a dialect of African-American Vernacular English (AAVE) that is specifically crafted to mock and disparage African Americans and in particular the antagonists, Br'er Fox and Br'er Bear.

The word "Br'er" is a direct racial stereotype and use of AAVE slang taken from the Joel Chandler Harris stories. The word "Br'er" means brother.

The origin of the song, "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah" is from “O Zip a duden duden duden zip a duden day”, chorus to an old minstrel song popularized by George Washington Dixon who became a star performing in blackface.

Therefore, since facts don't seem to work, I thought humor might help get the point across. Or it could be that some people are so entrenched in their belief that Splash Mountain is indeed not at all racist, despite all the abundance of evidence to the contrary, that nothing will suffice to allow them to see the truth.

But make no mistake, humor is just one vehicle in which I ride.

Okay. So you displayed 2 points of “evidence”. Let’s talk about it. The term “Brer” (or “Br’er”) is an actual slang term developed by the African Americans that told these stories. It is not a “racial stereotype” if it’s a word they actually used. Culture and racism are not the same thing. Just because they used a word that’s different than what we used, does not make it bad.

You can proclaim to the high heavens about how “inaccurate” the dialect in the film is, but the term “Brer” isn’t. Truth idc I myself don’t know how inaccurate it is. I didn’t live in the 1800s. I’d like to do some more research on that to get to the bottom of it all.

As for Zipadeedoodah, there’s no proven fact that the made up word was inspired by the minstrel song. But even if it was loosely inspired, how does that make Zipadeedoodah racist? Zipadeedoodah doesn’t mean anything. It’s not a word. It’s not making fun of anyone. And guess what? People of different nationalities sing it!

Also funny how you said “racist songs” plural. Cause the song about saying hi and the song about laughing totally have something to do with nationalities, right? Oh wait no they don’t.

 

[Little Green Men]

Yeah I mean if it's the usual suspects like Josh, Davonne, and Bailey, I probably won't watch. Maybe if they get Derek I would watch but something tells me he won't want to leave his family again.

Need some OGs in there.

Bayleigh has said she won’t be back. Derrick and Tyler are both rumored to return.

 

[dig311dug]

Frankly, I find racism to be abhorrent. However, when people chose to ignore the blatant racism which is completely apparent in Splash Mountain, I have to wonder what motivates this willful action of turning a blind eye.

I find the Native Americans featured in Peter Pan FAR more racially insensitive than anything on splash.