Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[Smiley/OCD]

I just have 2 questions...purely out of curiosity...no ulterior motives!!! I wonder what Mariah Carey and her ex, Nick Cannon think of this whole controversy...they are known for being die-hard Disney lovers, and if you google her, there are pictures of their family having a great time on SM...also, will there be a backlash IF PatF does not measure up to SM...will people feel cheated by Disney, in an attempt to placate the guests who want the change. Myself, I think the change is horrible, but as a white male, I don't know what it's like to be a PoC, so my opinion is really a mute point. I just hope that Disney will create an attraction that will not only meet the quality of SM, but will surpass it...a daunting task, indeed.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I just have 2 questions...purely out of curiosity...no ulterior motives!!! I wonder what Mariah Carey and her ex, Nick Cannon think of this whole controversy...they are known for being die-hard Disney lovers, and if you google her, there are pictures of their family having a great time on SM...also, will there be a backlash IF PatF does not measure up to SM...will people feel cheated by Disney, in an attempt to placate the guests who want the change. Myself, I think the change is horrible, but as a white male, I don't know what it's like to be a PoC, so my opinion is really a mute point. I just hope that Disney will create an attraction that will not only meet the quality of SM, but will surpass it...a daunting task, indeed.

If the budget of $50 million is accurate, I don't think we'll be seeing anything near the same quality.

 

[Phil12]

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[aw14]

It isn’t?

I would have figured since everything was white supremacy, wrestling was too

 

[Phil12]

I just have 2 questions...purely out of curiosity...no ulterior motives!!! I wonder what Mariah Carey and her ex, Nick Cannon think of this whole controversy...they are known for being die-hard Disney lovers, and if you google her, there are pictures of their family having a great time on SM...also, will there be a backlash IF PatF does not measure up to SM...will people feel cheated by Disney, in an attempt to placate the guests who want the change. Myself, I think the change is horrible, but as a white male, I don't know what it's like to be a PoC, so my opinion is really a mute point. I just hope that Disney will create an attraction that will not only meet the quality of SM, but will surpass it...a daunting task, indeed.

There already is a backlash. Anytime Disney re-themes an attraction, a group of haters emerge and describe in detail the horrors of the changes. They are disciples of General Grizz. He was famous around these parts about 15 years ago for his involvement with Save Disney and his opposition to changes at The Land Pavilion at Epcot.

So we can look forward to a whole new round of hate when the new re-themed Splash Mountain opens. But don't worry, just shake it off!

 

[ImperfectPixie]

There already is a backlash. Anytime Disney re-themes an attraction, a group of haters emerge and describe in detail the horrors of the changes. They are disciples of General Grizz. He was famous around these parts about 15 years ago for his involvement with Save Disney and his opposition to changes at The Land Pavilion at Epcot.

So we can look forward to a whole new round of hate when the new re-themed Splash Mountain opens. But don't worry, just shake it off!

That's pretty funny coming from you.

 

[Donaldfan1934]

I wonder what Mariah Carey and her ex, Nick Cannon think of this whole controversy...they are known for being die-hard Disney lovers, and if you google her, there are pictures of their family having a great time on SM...

Well, considering Nick Cannon starred in his own Brer Rabbit movie along with being photographed having fun with his family on the ride as you say, I think it’s safe to say he’s a fan.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

It's kinda odd that you haven't heard one peep from any of them...

 

[Donaldfan1934]

It's kinda odd that you haven't heard one peep from any of them...

I think some celebrities might be afraid to speak out against Disney’s decision, especially if they have professional ties to the company. One person I am surprised we haven’t heard from yet is Floyd Norman. He’s been a staunch defender of SotS in general, so I’d like to hear his take on all of this.

 

[Phil12]

It's kinda odd that you haven't heard one peep from any of them...

Perhaps they do not wish to be associated with supporting white privilege.

 

[Sue_Vongello]

If the budget of $50 million is accurate, I don't think we'll be seeing anything near the same quality.

The budget is more likely in the 30-35 million range which means something nowhere “near Splash quality” is the best case scenario.

 

[Chi84]

Where is the information on the budget? I didn't know Disney released that type of thing.

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

Where is the information on the budget? I didn't know Disney released that type of thing.

They didn't. Budgets are usually not officially announced for re-themes of old attractions. But they still end up being discovered by these fan communities anyways (like how the community knew Frozen at Epcot was $75 million).

The person who stated this PAFT project is $50 million was the person who broke the news of this attraction overhaul to begin with (he also stated Disney is looking at other attractions for possible changes). It was posted by WDW Pro, several weeks before Disney announced this officially.

The 30-35 million budget was something that Sue, myself, and a small handful of other members on this forum were told by a different source (not posted publicly).

Neither of the rumored budgets are going to do Splash Mtn any sort of justice. If either is accurate, it'll be a complete embarrassment and people should set their expectations as low as possible. I don't know any actual details about the overhaul, but it's pretty easy to infer what a budget that tiny would mean.

This is my own speculation based on the rumored budgets. It's likely most of the interior scenery and figures will be gutted and scrapped. Especially WDW, which takes place in less of a bayou setting and more the outer edge of a forest with farmland and rolling green hills. Almost none of the current animatronics have the correct proportions to be reskinned as PATF characters (except for a couple of the smaller frogs and perhaps Brer Bear's frame for Louis). And I wouldn't expect to see anywhere near the same level of new physical scenery or animatronics added back in again. It's likely to have lots of emptied out sparsely detailed rooms with videos projected on the blank walls. Both rumored budgets are massively smaller than Frozen's was. And Splash Mtn is a much longer ride, so the budget will be stretched even thinner.

 

[Brer Panther]

Disney really didn't think this retheme through, did they?

 

[Chi84]

They didn't. Budgets are usually not officially announced for re-themes of old attractions. But they still end up being discovered by these fan communities anyways (like how the community knew Frozen at Epcot was $75 million).

The person who stated this PAFT project is $50 million was the person who broke the news of this attraction overhaul to begin with (he also stated Disney is looking at other attractions for possible changes). It was posted by WDW Pro, several weeks before Disney announced this officially.

The 30-35 million budget was something that Sue, myself, and a small handful of other members on this forum were told by a different source (not posted publicly).

Neither of the rumored budgets are going to do Splash Mtn any sort of justice. If either is accurate, it'll be a complete embarrassment and people should set their expectations as low as possible. I don't know any actual details about the overhaul, but it's pretty easy to infer what a budget that tiny would mean.

This is my own speculation based on the rumored budgets. It's likely most of the interior scenery and figures will be gutted and scrapped. Especially WDW, which takes place in less of a bayou setting and more the outer edge of a forest with farmland and rolling green hills. Almost none of the current animatronics have the correct proportions to be reskinned as PATF characters (except for a couple of the smaller frogs and perhaps Brer Bear's frame for Louis). And I wouldn't expect to see anywhere near the same level of new physical scenery or animatronics added back in again. It's likely to have lots of emptied out sparsely detailed rooms with videos projected on the blank walls. Both rumored budgets are massively smaller than Frozen's was. And Splash Mtn is a much longer ride, so the budget will be stretched even thinner.

So no one actually knows then. I'm concerned for all projects at Disney because of the huge financial hit they're taking now with the parks being closed. Where Disney is concerned, I'm not inclined to set my expectations as low as possible because Disney usually does things pretty well. I'm just going to reserve judgment on the re-themed Splash until it opens. That's just me, though - I know others prefer to make up their minds in advance, especially where it involves a change they don't like.

 

[21stamps]

So no one actually knows then. I'm concerned for all projects at Disney because of the huge financial hit they're taking now with the parks being closed. Where Disney is concerned, I'm not inclined to set my expectations as low as possible because Disney usually does things pretty well. I'm just going to reserve judgment on the re-themed Splash until it opens. That's just me, though - I know others prefer to make up their minds in advance, especially where it involves a change they don't like.

I agree with you. There’s no way that I can assume this project is going to be done with any less Disney flair than another.. I think it will end as a well themed attraction, even while I’m against the princess invasion.lol

 

[Disney Analyst]

So no one actually knows then. I'm concerned for all projects at Disney because of the huge financial hit they're taking now with the parks being closed. Where Disney is concerned, I'm not inclined to set my expectations as low as possible because Disney usually does things pretty well. I'm just going to reserve judgment on the re-themed Splash until it opens. That's just me, though - I know others prefer to make up their minds in advance, especially where it involves a change they don't like.

And that’s on being a reasonable individual.

 

[My95cobras]

Aparently you get banned for having a pro police opinion on a universal forum.

 

[Jedi Stitch]

I do not agree with re-theming rides. I am neither saying Disney should be a museum. Pirates was a ride about pirates, and gentrifying it did it a great dis-service. I can still enjoy it, but I miss the original. Now, Disney is saying they have been planning to do this for awhile, but now it feels political than the "right" thing. I agree with other posters, that if they are going to re-theme it they better hit a home run, other wise it will be a sad statement to both Disney and Cancel Couture revolution.
The real question will it be enough? Will retheming this ride make everyone happy? Will the cigar store indian be removed because it offends. Will the hall of presidents and great moments with Lincoln be banned. Will Frontierland be offensive to native americans. Jungle Cruise for the depiction of africans? Should Tomorrowland look like the current future of having pride flags put up and BLM graffiti on it?

I remember when Disney meant it was the happiest place on earth and was the original safe space. Everyone from all walks of life came together to have fun. Everyone is offended by everything and other peoples opinions are being forced down my throat under the threat of "no peace if I don't get my entitled way". This is just my opinion, now let the cyber bullies' comment on how I am wrong.

 

[Smiley/OCD]

Perhaps they do not wish to be associated with supporting white privilege.

By not speaking out, aren't they kinda silently OK with it? I mean, here's a perfect opportunity to endorse the change and show support for the retheme, and yet, crickets...maybe, just maybe, they weighed the evidence and felt, hey, it's just an awesome attraction...there's bigger, more flagrant examples of WP in the world to object to and speak out about? I certainly don't know, I'm just posing the question...