Splash Mountain re-theme announced

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LittleBuford

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Bairstow said:
The movie revels in the plantation aesthetic, the images of black "mammies" and "uncles" cooking and serving white people in their big house, and the black farmers dutifully gathering around the plantation to sing hymns and pray for the little white kid. The movie even begins with a musical salute to "I Wish I Was in Dixie". The fact that the movie is purportedly set after the black plantation workers had been freed is utterly incidental to the plot.
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And remember, a lot of the movie is flashbacks as Remus tells a story. That leaves a very brief window when slavery wasn't a thing for those to have happened.
 
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AugieMorosco said:
At this point, it really doesn't feel like much of the pushback is about the ride itself, but rather a perceived "victory" for one side of the political spectrum. The Walt Disney Company has clearly carved a progressive and inclusive path forward with no signs of hanging onto the most troubling parts of its past. This whole thing should really come as no surprise. For the slippery slope group, you're right to a degree I guess. You can probably expect more changes down the road - though the hyperbolic examples are ridiculous. Maybe I'm wrong and it's really about a deep nostalgia for Brer Rabbit and family memories of Splash Mountain, but the arguments and points seem to suggest otherwise.
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It’s a myriad of things. For me personally, I wouldn’t have been as frustrated if they would have at least changed it to a theme fitting in Frontierland.. not sticking a princess on a ride. The move is patronizing and stinks of a lazy token change.. That’s what people like, I guess. 🤷‍♀️
 
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LittleBuford said:
Multiple other threads, including:

Disney Launches Internal Attractions Diversity and Values Review Team

Multiple sources have reached out to me today to inform of a new review board being assembled to look at Disney Parks shows and attractions for elements that do not align with as of yet not public principles. My sources do not know if the review board has been filled or by whom. They do both...
forums.wdwmagic.com forums.wdwmagic.com
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So not in this one, where I brought up the conversation.. that one went to outer space rides. 😂. Thanks.
 
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21stamps said:
It’s a myriad of things. For me personally, I wouldn’t have been as frustrated if they would have at least changed it to a theme fitting in Frontierland.. not sticking a princess on a ride. The move is patronizing and stinks of a lazy token change.. That’s what people like, I guess. 🤷‍♀️
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The Deadlands: The Weird West rpg did a New Orleans boxed set, so if it's western enough for them, it's western enough for me. (Funnily enough, they're also getting some pushback from some fans after making changes to their setting.)
 
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Bairstow said:
The movie revels in the plantation aesthetic, the images of black "mammies" and "uncles" cooking and serving white people in their big house, and the black farmers dutifully gathering around the plantation to sing hymns and pray for the little white kid. The movie even begins with a musical salute to "I Wish I Was in Dixie". The fact that the movie is purportedly set after the black plantation workers had been freed is utterly incidental to the plot.
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That does not negate the fact that the film didn't glorify slavery. Please stop conflating the prettying up of reconstruction with glorifying slavery. And if you've seen the film, the white plantation owner's wife is the most dis-likable character in the entire thing, so it's not as if even reconstruction was being "glorified".
 
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LittleBuford said:
You referred to “people”. If your point pertained to a specific poster, you should have said so. Those other attractions have come up in this thread too, for what it’s worth.
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And, as a matter of fact, I HAVE referenced other attractions in this thread prior to the Astro Orbiter joke. If you go back a few pages, I made note of how The Country Bear Jamboree draws on traditions and imagery of the medicine show and, to a lesser extent, the minstrel show.
 
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LittleBuford said:
You referred to “people”. If your point pertained to a specific poster, you should have said so. Those other attractions have come up in this thread too, for what it’s worth.
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Yes, in that specific comment I meant people here.. which I thought was obvious enough.

I can’t go read all of the conversations in other threads right now, so what’s the synopsis? The Disney of anyone’s youth who was born prior to 2001, is supposed to go away.. pretend like it never happened?
 
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21stamps said:
Yes, in that specific comment I meant people here.. which I thought was obvious enough.

I can’t go read all of the conversations in other threads right now, so what’s the synopsis? The Disney of anyone’s youth who was born prior to 2001, is supposed to go away.. pretend like it never happened?
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Yes. After we change the rides, we'll go around erasing everyone's minds with the Forget-inator, and then we shall RULE THE TRI-STATE AREA!
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LittleBuford

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21stamps said:
Yes, in that specific comment I meant people here.. which I thought was obvious enough.

I can’t go read all of the conversations in other threads right now, so what’s the synopsis? The Disney of anyone’s youth who was born prior to 2001, is supposed to go away.. pretend like it never happened?
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If you’re genuinely interested, then you should go and read the threads.
 
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SilentWindODoom said:
Cinderella: Emotionally abused slave who is kindly but does have more attitude than most people give her credit for. Her good nature is rewarded by a fairy appearing and giving her a chance to fulfill her dreams. She meets someone and falls in love and is rescued from her abusive situation.

Tiana: Young woman working two jobs to try to afford a restaurant. She's misunderstood her father's dreams and his most important lesson of dreaming but also living in the present with your loved ones, and is focused on fulfilling his dreams and nothing else. She gets the money, but the opportunity she had is taken away due to racism. Due to a misunderstanding she gets turned into a frog and goes through a journey to try to fix the situation. She and her fellow frog learn to appreciate each other and wind up falling in love. She learns the lesson her father wanted her to learn and becomes a far more rounded person. In the end she gets her restaurant and her love.

These are two completely different stories and arcs. Are you one of those "loose tan clothes on desert planet meant Rey is a cheap knockoff of Luke" people?
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I wasn't referring to the story I was referring to the way the characters are drawn.
 
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Hooray!! I’ve finally made it through every post and it’s only 2.30 am in the good old U.K. Now for my questions/ suggestions.
1. In Mary Poppins, Dick van had the worst cockney accent in living memory. I’m speaking as someone who was born a cockney but moved away as a baby - is that accent racist/offensive or just plain bad acting? I love the film, including Dick van and totally forgive him as I feel sure there was no intent to cause offence. There in lies the rub..... no intent. Others may feel that the character should have been played by a real cockney, such as Tommy Steel who could also sing and dance. I don’t know how I feel but I know I love the film and consider Feed the Birds one of the greatest ever Disney Songs. Ideas anyone?
2. I never realised that WDW was themed around American geography, so many apologies for that-I just thought that they were cool sounding names. However I have always felt that there was one film that would make the best ride ever, though now realise it would have to sit next to Peter Pan. In my head the carriages would be beds, with a crystal on the top that the CM would activate to send you on your way. A quick trip through Portobello Rd Market and then under the sea for the mad football match featuring zany animals , then into the castle where the armour comes to life and marches! I realise that the end of the film ends up fighting the Germans , which is most definitely not acceptable, though I don’t recall anyone dying and it was a very slapstick scene. Bed knobs and Broomsticks in case you haven’t guessed! Can you imagine that where Splash Mountain used to be😢?
Then Princess and the Frog can rightly take Its place with a purpose built ride and African Americans, indeed any African, Caribbean etc. Can finally feel included and valued rather than having to accept a remodel of one of Disney’s greatest rides. If Disney is serious about undoing wrongs and helping to create equality then patching something does not, in my opinion , go far enough. Again would welcome thoughts though may not read them immediately!
 
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21stamps said:
So, no opinions here. Another direct question avoided. Got it.
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I told you specifically what attraction. You type in "Jamboree" in the search function and toggle the "this thread" option to see the specific comment.

ImperfectPixie said:
The Brer characters are adapted from African folklore.
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Yes. Adapted. Filtered through the lens of white folklorist Joel Chandler Harris, and then further filtered by white screen writers.
 
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