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manmythlegend

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I have a genuine question. Other than the ties to the film, which says it’s in Georgia, does Magic Kingdom’s Splash Mountain seem like it could take place in the American frontier? I thought I read that they changed the music style, colors, etc for it to fit at MK and if they went through lengths to change the setting for the ride, then the film setting shouldn’t matter.

I mean is it supposed to be taken literally? I can't imagine seeing bears doing a hoe-down in the frontier either. Splash is just a log ride down a mountain which seems it could have happened in the frontier despite the location being Georgia.
 

Matt_Black

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Narrators rarely have a story arch. He was a wise man who in the books is literally the narrator. That does not make it racist. That is a storytelling critique.
Remus is the one character in the film considered morally right, so he doesn’t have much of a character growth arc. The other characters grow because of him and his actions.

And if that sort of thing were confined to just this movie, that would be an acceptable answer. Except we keep seeing movies where some white person needs advice, and oh, there's a friendly African-American there to dispense some sage wisdom! The Legend Of Bagger Vance and The Green Mile being two notable relatively recent examples.
 

Musical Mermaid

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I mean is it supposed to be taken literally? I can't imagine seeing bears doing a hoe-down in the frontier either. Splash is just a log ride down a mountain which seems it could have happened in the frontier despite the location being Georgia.
Well, that was my point, that there’s nothing in the ride that says that it’s in Georgia. People jump to that conclusion based off of the movie, but developers worked to make the location fit more with the Frontierland scheme. They’re a bunch of fictional animals, so they could have lived there. And Brer Roadrunner? I don’t have time to analyze all the animals, there may be some eastern ones too, but he was one that stood out to me as a sign of being in the west.
 

manmythlegend

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Well, that was my point, that there’s nothing in the ride that says that it’s in Georgia. People jump to that conclusion based off of the movie, but developers worked to make the location fit more with the Frontierland scheme. They’re a bunch of fictional animals, so they could have lived there. And Brer Roadrunner? I don’t have time to analyze all the animals, there may be some eastern ones too, but he was one that stood out to me as a sign of being in the west.

Yeah I agree.
 

manmythlegend

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And if that sort of thing were confined to just this movie, that would be an acceptable answer. Except we keep seeing movies where some white person needs advice, and oh, there's a friendly African-American there to dispense some sage wisdom! The Legend Of Bagger Vance and The Green Mile being two notable relatively recent examples.

2 movies which I happen to love.
 

M:SpilotISTC12

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I get Small World and TSI. Could you please explain the others?
Tiki Room portrays natives and colonialism. People say it in tweets here. AK and AKL, same reason why people hate Ringling Brothers and Seaworld. They hold animals captive. CoP because of not enough mention of women's rights and only portraying Sarah as only a house wife. Other threads on here have mentioned why but I'm trying to find the exact quotes but its too many pages. Monster's Inc singles out guests as "that guy" and poking fun at guests' expense.

You could also add Hoop De Doo and the Liberty Bell.
 

celluloid

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And if that sort of thing were confined to just this movie, that would be an acceptable answer. Except we keep seeing movies where some white person needs advice, and oh, there's a friendly African-American there to dispense some sage wisdom! The Legend Of Bagger Vance and The Green Mile being two notable relatively recent examples.

And Mary Poppins!

Just because an old sage is sometimes black does not make it racist.
Just because a sage character is old does not make it an ageist concept.

Ray
Mama Odie..
People just love to complain. It is good to switch things around for variety, but just because you see a trope, does not make it hateful.
 

Brer Oswald

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And if that sort of thing were confined to just this movie, that would be an acceptable answer. Except we keep seeing movies where some white person needs advice, and oh, there's a friendly African-American there to dispense some sage wisdom! The Legend Of Bagger Vance and The Green Mile being two notable relatively recent examples.
Except, SotS did it before it was a common trope. If anything, this trope was born out of the Uncle Remus character, of which no malice was intended. The stereotyping came after.

It’s funny how this is the new complaint against SotS. Because, all of the other points get refuted. And even when this one is refuted, another new complaint will come up, because people desperately want this film to be the most horrible piece of cinema Disney’s created.
 

21stamps

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I am curious as to how Elsa wasn't quite right
She was almost right.. look, I was thrilled with Frozen.. seriously. I just thought the glam-up change was a bit too much, though I understand it.. and still nearly perfect female story, finally.

and the stomach churning parts of Carousel.

Really? Maybe that’s why you don’t understand my issues with Disney on Tiana’s almost-storyline.

Tiana did both. She got all that she wanted and became a well-rounded person. She only gave up when all was lost, and found what was good about the current situation. She reached her ambitions and got more.

She didn’t though. She gave up everything for a man- to live as a frog. It was second hand magic that got her out of it and fulfilled her dreams... it wasn’t her own character doing it.
 

celluloid

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Except, SotS did it before it was a common trope. If anything, this trope was born out of the Uncle Remus character, of which no malice was intended. The stereotyping came after.

It’s funny how this is the new complaint against SotS. Because, all of the other points get refuted. And even when this one is refuted, another new complaint will come up, because people desperately want this film to be the most horrible piece of cinema Disney’s created.
Exactly.
Finding Racism in movies where the opposite message tends to be true is like the new "Illuminati Confirmed" from years back.
Let's focus on the hate in the world and getting rid of it. No racist groups love these works. They would detest them.
 
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Matt_Black

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Except, SotS did it before it was a common trope. If anything, this trope was born out of the Uncle Remus character, of which no malice was intended. The stereotyping came after.

It’s funny how this is the new complaint against SotS. Because, all of the other points get refuted. And even when this one is refuted, another new complaint will come up, because people desperately want this film to be the most horrible piece of cinema Disney’s created.

A) Not a new complaint. This has long been said about the film.
B) It wasn't all that uncommon before 1946. (Remember Gone With The Wind?)
 

orlandogal22

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And that's fine. The latter is a brilliant story. That doesn't change the fact that it's built on many problematic tropes (and that's one that Steven King uses A LOT. See also- The Shining.)

Stephen King's books (and the language therein) - and the fact that he's deemed "OK" - are a great example of selective outrage / selective cancel culture.
 

SilentWindODoom

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Well, that was my point, that there’s nothing in the ride that says that it’s in Georgia. People jump to that conclusion based off of the movie, but developers worked to make the location fit more with the Frontierland scheme. They’re a bunch of fictional animals, so they could have lived there. And Brer Roadrunner? I don’t have time to analyze all the animals, there may be some eastern ones too, but he was one that stood out to me as a sign of being in the west.

Bwahaha. I'd never heard of this and in looking it up found a thread from 2014 where someone asked if he was still on the ride. This led to someone asking why there's a roadrunner when the entire rest of the ride is Southeastern animals.

Seeing him in video, I always thought that was Mr. Bluebird.

Overall, I never found the ride to be anything that would be out of theme with the Southeast so I never thought of attempt being made to retheme it for Florida.

She was almost right.. look, I was thrilled with Frozen.. seriously. I just thought the glam-up change was a bit too much, though I understand it.. and still nearly perfect female story, finally.

Glam-up change? Do you mean for the Let It Go montage? I'm not sure specifically what you mean.

Really? Maybe that’s why you don’t understand my issues with Disney on Tiana’s almost-storyline.

Hehehehe. This is even vaguer. Listen, I don't know if you know this, but there's people taking exception with everything. If you're looking to be offended, you could find something wrong with everything. Therefore, it's nigh impossible to know exactly what you mean when you're critiquing Carousel.

She didn’t though. She gave up everything for a man- to live as a frog. It was second hand magic that got her out of it and fulfilled her dreams... it wasn’t her own character doing it.

They'd lost their chance. They would need to find a princess. What did you want them to do? Princess and the Frog II: Journey to a New World? There's not a whole lot of princesses in the entire hemisphere.

Unless you mean when she was tempted by Facilier. Are you criticizing her for refusing to fall for the villain's trick?
 

Matt_Black

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Exactly.
Finding Racism in movies where the opposite message tends to be true is like the new "Illuminati Confirmed" from a years back.
Let's focus on hate and getting rid of it. No racist loves these works. They would detest them.

That's a very reductive, simplistic view of a remarkably complex social issue, to say the least.

Look at the Fenner Brothers from The Princess And The Frog. They liked Tiana, or at least the didn't actively dislike her. They were very polite and complimentary. But they still pulled the rug out from under her, and then they thought they were doing her a favor.

Not all racists are cackling Red Skull style villains. Racism can come in many insidious, seemingly innocuous forms.
 
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