Splash Mountain re-theme announced

[PeoplemoverTTA]

Breaking news: Disney properties to go vegan after AK safari animals demonstrate by dumping Dole Whip in Bay Lake.

Dole whips are vegan.

And it’s very classy to tie racist elements that harken back to one of the darkest times in our history with an inappropriate joke. Congrats.

 

[𝐌𝖆𝖓 𝖎𝖓 𝐖𝖊𝖇]

I'm quite a ways skimming through that thread, and so far all i see is political discussion. I'm looking for details about what sort of scenery the ride will use (how dense the sets will be, physical vs projections) and whether the ride will still retain a similar quantity and quality of animatronic figures. Is any of this addressed by insiders in the thread?

Nothing from insiders but we can assume they'll be projections and a downgrade of physical sets and AAs.

I'd look at who's spearheading the refresh. That would clue us in as to what to expect. Opinions being what they are; I'm expecting something like Navi River Journey but with a giant showboat at the end and obligatory fireworks in the distance! Screens for areas where they can't afford AAs and the removal of 2/3rd of the AAs because they don't align with the art style of P&F. 50 million (if number is accurate) doesn't go very far these days.

 

[RoysCabin]

I don't know why Song of the South gets so much heat, while others remain unscathed. No one is clamoring to get rid of the Dumbo or Peter Pan rides. Despite the racism it shows towards African and Native Americans in their movies.

I'm pretty sure this was brought up earlier, but while those particular scenes in those movies get called out plenty, the core of the narratives of the entire films aren't build around them. If you ask someone to provide a basic plot synopsis and setting of Dumbo or Peter Pan, the crow and tribe scenes likely don't even enter the equation, whereas a synopsis of Song of the South has a much harder time avoiding the historical setting it is presented in and the choice made to show a positive depiction of it.

Again, I think the vast majority of us don't want any of these films done away with, just presented with greater context, but while some might not find it fair I think in the eyes of the general public it's more a matter of degree: one can choose to watch Dumbo or Peter Pan and simply skip the scene they find unsavory in each, while doing so for Song of the South is much more difficult.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

To destroy our history will never lead us to better understanding our future.

Yes. I felt exactly the same when they replaced the stunt show & Backlot tour with Galaxys Edge & Toy Story Land... our beloved history gone

 

[Kman101]

ToT was popular too, that didn't exempt it from being re-themed.

I'm not saying it should stop or shouldn't happen. Don't make my post about something it wasn't about.

Splash wasn't popular just because it was a water ride but whatever makes all of you feel better. Some of us know guest feedback, do you? I'm not saying either way that it should or shouldn't be re-themed.

I'm beyond thrilled Tiana is getting an attraction.

 

[Ellen Ripley]

Here is a 6 part podcast series about the problems with the story. It is extremely well researched.

Disney’s Most Controversial Film (Six Degrees of Song of the South, Episode 1) — You Must Remember This

Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts . Disney Plus is launching with the stated intention of streaming the entire Disney library...except for Song of the South , the 1946 animation/live-action hybrid film set on a post-Civil War plantation, which was theatrically re-released as recently as 19

www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com

How is the storyline racist?

Also, Here is the Splash Mountain specific episode. I encourage you all to listen.

Splash Mountain (Six Degrees of Song of the South, Episode 6) — You Must Remember This

Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts . After two more successful theatrical releases, in 1980 and 1986, Disney decided to put Song of the South in the “Disney Vault,” and never released it on home video or theatrically in the US ever again. And yet, at the same time, the company was develo

www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com

 

[disneygeek90]

No single film deserves its own land.

Then why did they build an entire land around THE LAST JEDI?

GE is based on the sequel trilogy. The better comparison would be Pandora. I know there's more planned but at this point...

 

[celluloid]

^Um no, Dr Faclier is not part of that trope, that trope is about a poor black man appearing out of no where and helping the white protagonist out of the goodness of his heart and then disappearing from the film. Watch Legend of Bagger Vance for the perfect example.

Sounds like Ray with his stereotypical cajun voice or Mama Odie to me.

 

[WDW Pro]

Yes. I felt exactly the same when they replaced the Backlot tour with Galaxys Edge & Toy Story Land... our beloved history gone

For the most part both of those lands fall far short of Disney's typical quality.

 

[Mike S]

Haunted Mansion wasn't based on a movie that was racially insensitive so that doesn't check out. Next.

The ride has dark humor concerning death and suicide. Someone who experienced the death of a loved one because they hung themselves might be triggered from it.

 

[_caleb]

Exactly. On a similar note, I liken this to people who vehemently trash SeaWorld Orlando and the state's zoological parks, then turn a blind eye to the dolphins and other sea creatures at the Living Seas and argue it's OK because it's Disney and then basically hand over their paychecks to DAK while visiting the animals. Bottom line is - inconsistency. Other bottom line - people get offended by what they want to get offended by, or what's politically expedient at the moment; often what the bandwagon idea is.

I actually think the SeaWorld example is a good one. The Blackfish film changed public perception of the park is a major way. Disney wants to avoid something like this happening to them.

I have before but that’s irrelevant. The fact that it’s there is what’s important. I would have never even known the disclaimer on Disney+ was there if the media didn’t report on it, as it’s in a tiny font.

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My question still stands. If it’s good enough for movies, why not attractions?

I think it’s because, in a sense, a film *was produced at a point in time, but a theme park attraction is seen as *still being produced while it’s still open to guests.

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

No single film deserves its own land.

someone should tell Disney this...

Main Construction Kicks Off for 'Zootopia'-Themed Expansion at Shanghai Disney Resort

Earlier this year, we announced a new “Zootopia”-themed land coming to Shanghai Disney Resort. Now we’re thrilled to share that main construction has officially begun for the second biggest addition to the park! The eighth themed land will be

disneyparks.disney.go.com

 

[marni1971]

Also, Here is the Splash Mountain specific episode. I encourage you all to listen.

Splash Mountain (Six Degrees of Song of the South, Episode 6) — You Must Remember This

Listen to this episode on Apple Podcasts . After two more successful theatrical releases, in 1980 and 1986, Disney decided to put Song of the South in the “Disney Vault,” and never released it on home video or theatrically in the US ever again. And yet, at the same time, the company was develo

www.youmustrememberthispodcast.com

Thanks but no thanks.

 

[Touchdown]

Sounds like Ray with his stereotypical cajun voice or Mama Odie to me.

Ray is a alligator and is repaid for him helping the protagonist at the end of the story by playing in her nightclub and having his dream come true so no.

Mama Odie comes closer but seeing as Tiana is black invalidates the trope, she is another trope the “old sage” like Obi Won in a New Hope.

 

[DisneyCane]

Only yourself and others here flailing in their arguments are claiming the “woke” garbage. By accounts of insiders, they knew the problematic elements of the ride for years, hence having artwork and a loose plan in place. It was fast tracked due to recent events.

Of course they care about money; they’re a business. I wouldn’t expect less.

As a business that holds these IPs, they can decided to change what and when they want. In this instance, they chose Splash. As mentioned, it’s likely other changes will come. That is their right.

Get real. Have you read a single rumor on this site about Disney planning to re-theme SM to Princess and the Frog? Then, all of a sudden after a petition pops up, gets reported in the news and suddenly they release these grand plans that have been being worked on for years.

I guess we won't have to wait long for the announcement of the super secret, long developed, "Hall of the Incredibles."

Show me where Disney trumpeted their wokeness.

I'll wait.

Did you not read the quotes from Disney on the WDWmagic article? They didn't officially say why they were changing it but the things they tout about the new theme touches on all the good woke points.

 

[marni1971]

ToT was popular too, that didn't exempt it from being re-themed.

Pirates of the Caribbean was popular. Thats why it was reconsidered for Orlando.

 

[celluloid]

Ray is a alligator and is repaid for him helping the protagonist at the end of the story by playing in her nightclub and having his dream come true so no.

Mama Odie comes closer but seeing as Tiana is black invalidates the trope, she is another trope the “old sage” like Obi Won in a New Hope.

Wrong. You are thinking of Louis. Ray is a firefly. A firefly who is the only one who can take them down the bayou and light the way who(spoiler since maybe youd did not see it) dies at the end and floats to the sky, becoming a star after having nothing but giving evetything to help his friends. A trope is a trope. It does not make it bad, and that one fits your description.

Mama Odie does not help Tiana as much as she helps Navine get the curse lifted, he was the one that started the trouble.

 

[wdwmagic]

I'm quite a ways skimming through that thread, and so far all i see is political discussion. I'm looking for details about what sort of scenery the ride will use (how dense the sets will be, physical vs projections) and whether the ride will still retain a similar quantity and quality of animatronic figures. Is any of this addressed by insiders in the thread?

Disney has not yet completed the design phase on this, so nothing has leaked at this point. This project seems a while away from being started.

 

[lebeau]

Did you not read the quotes from Disney on the WDWmagic article? They didn't officially say why they were changing it but the things they tout about the new theme touches on all the good woke points.

Messages of inclusion really ruffle your feathers, huh?

 

[PrincessNelly_NJ]

For the most part both of those lands fall far short of Disney's typical quality.

They should also stop the Epcot refurb too.. its not right we will lose classic Epcot. Nothing should ever change.