A Spirited 15 Rounds ...

Sirwalterraleigh

Sirwalterraleigh

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wdisney9000 said:
People said TFA was too much like A new Hope. Now they are saying TLJ strayed too far away from what made us fall in love with Star Wars itself. But look at what we are all doing here in this very forum. Exactly what happened back in the 70's when A New Hope hit theaters.....we are talking about Star Wars with SOOOO much passion, asking questions and looking for answers (regardless of personal opinion). I feel the series is more alive than ever!
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There's a difference between "passion" and "incomprehension"

In more toward the latter. You can dismiss what I'm gonna say about myself if you wish...but here it is: to get me to jump off ship would be a result that is hard to put in words. As in I hold the entire Star Wars history in reverence...from the business and cultural impact perspective...it's not just emotional.

I'm searching for the lifeboat. It's not that disney needed to "make it different"...it just that they had to "make it better". They are frankly - unlike marvel - not valuing the IP enough. This is the last thing you want to "experiment" with. It needs to be released with maximum quality and then allowed to build itself back up...there was already audience fatigue. It's not about releasing tentpoles. It's about maximum quality so when you do release...the audience says "well it's Star Wars...so you know it's good". That's what's missing from Disney's plan. Just like 22 planned live action versions of cartoons. They don't get it/need new management.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
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lazyboy97o said:
It is lazy story telling because the change has no depth, no struggle, no meaning. It was just done and that was it. Everything before was discarded not just for a few characters forging a new path, but the entire galaxy. It is repetitive because it just resets everything to more of what was before, bigger empire versus smaller rebels.
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I watched a review that I feel said it best. The Force Awakens was a "love letter". It had everything we needed to feel good (i.e. familiar characters like Han, Chewie, Leia, The Millenium Falcon, etc). The Last Jedi was a "farewell".

The "reset" you speak of is critical, but also has a lesson, which goes back to the theme of the movie, "let the past die". I do not think this was specifically for the past of the Jedi, but for everything. Thats why Luke said its time for the Jedi to end. The Jedi never were successful in stopping evil from rising. Never. Even at their strongest, they could not stop it. Just because the Jedi need to end does not mean The Force should be abandoned. It just needs to be used differently. Creating another school for Jedis simply wont work to stop evil. It did not work before, it would not work now. As I said prior, nothing ever worked so they must hit the "reset" button to create a clean slate (if you will) to formulate a new a plan/method.
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
Sirwalterraleigh said:
There's a difference between "passion" and "incomprehension"

In more toward the latter. You can dismiss what I'm gonna say about myself if you wish...but here it is: to get me to jump off ship would be a result that is hard to put in words. As in I hold the entire Star Wars history in reverence...from the business and cultural impact perspective...it's not just emotional.

I'm searching for the lifeboat. It's not that disney needed to "make it different"...it just that they had to "make it better". They are frankly - unlike marvel - not valuing the IP enough. This is the last thing you want to "experiment" with. It needs to be released with maximum quality and then allowed to build itself back up...there was already audience fatigue. It's not about releasing tentpoles. It's about maximum quality so when you do release...the audience says "well it's Star Wars...so you know it's good". That's what's missing from Disney's plan. Just like 22 planned live action versions of cartoons. They don't get it/need new management.
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The Marvel series gives fans EXACTLY what they want. And there is nothing wrong with that. But I appreciate Star Wars for having more depth than simply being light saber battles and the Force being used. Perhaps some fans want more simplicity or more canon, but they went a different way.

Dont get me wrong, I definitely think TLJ has its flaws, but so does every movie, even episodes 4,5 and 6 of Star Wars.
 
bclane

bclane

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wdisney9000 said:
People said TFA was too much like A new Hope. Now they are saying TLJ strayed too far away from what made us fall in love with Star Wars itself. But look at what we are all doing here in this very forum. Exactly what happened back in the 70's when A New Hope hit theaters.....we are talking about Star Wars with SOOOO much passion, asking questions and looking for answers (regardless of personal opinion). I feel the series is more alive than ever!
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I agree. I've really enjoyed all the fantastic conversations I've been having with my friends and family since TLJ came out. It reminds me of how it was all we could talk about when Star Wars and again when ESB first came out. My life would have been a lot different without Star Wars that's for sure and I'm grateful that after all these years, we now have these new and wonderful adventures to enjoy with our loved ones. Of course, I'm in the camp that thinks that TLJ is a fantastic movie, and I acknowledge that my opinion is no more valid than anyone else's, but I'm stoked that Rian Johnson has been given such a large role in the direction of the next trilogy. I don't know what he has in mind, but I'm really excited to find out. I'm open to whatever, but I'm hoping to see more about how non Jedi/Sith Force users do things in different parts of the galaxy. In my mind there are probably many other religions devoted to the Force, as well as undeveloped users, that we just haven't encountered yet. I wonder if we'll get to explore something like that after IX.
 
smile

smile

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wdisney9000 said:
I watched a review that I feel said it best. The Force Awakens was a "love letter". It had everything we needed to feel good (i.e. familiar characters like Han, Chewie, Leia, The Millenium Falcon, etc). The Last Jedi was a "farewell".

The "reset" you speak of is critical, but also has a lesson, which goes back to the theme of the movie, "let the past die". I do not think this was specifically for the past of the Jedi, but for everything. Thats why Luke said its time for the Jedi to end. The Jedi never were successful in stopping evil from rising. Never. Even at their strongest, they could not stop it. Just because the Jedi need to end does not mean The Force should be abandoned. It just needs to be used differently. Creating another school for Jedis simply wont work to stop evil. It did not work before, it would not work now. As I said prior, nothing ever worked so they must hit the "reset" button to create a clean slate (if you will) to formulate a new a plan/method.
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the police have yet to eliminate crime, therefore, they need to end :rolleyes:
the jedi order was never meant to eliminate evil, merely police it - which it was able to do generally for millennia.

the force is real, and the jedi order, knowing that not having an avenue for channeling those abilities positively is unwise, aimed to elevate the cognition of such so that one can focus on higher meaning as opposed to base primal urges . core of the light v dark has largely always been selflessness v selfishness, which can be an extremely difficult path to navigate by most without training or guidance.

how self-proclaimed star wars fans can toss aside the order is a mystery to me and would have gotten you laughed out of a room years back - should jedi consider adjusting some viewpoints, possibly, but many of their root ideals are more than philosophically sound and a means to assist those with great talent and little experience is certainly warranted.
 
ford91exploder

ford91exploder

Resident Curmudgeon
wdisney9000 said:
People said TFA was too much like A new Hope. Now they are saying TLJ strayed too far away from what made us fall in love with Star Wars itself. But look at what we are all doing here in this very forum. Exactly what happened back in the 70's when A New Hope hit theaters.....we are talking about Star Wars with SOOOO much passion, asking questions and looking for answers (regardless of personal opinion). I feel the series is more alive than ever!
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I disagree, TLJ killed it, sure the universe exists but the reason for caring about it is dead.
 
bclane

bclane

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wdisney9000 said:
I watched a review that I feel said it best. The Force Awakens was a "love letter". It had everything we needed to feel good (i.e. familiar characters like Han, Chewie, Leia, The Millenium Falcon, etc). The Last Jedi was a "farewell".

The "reset" you speak of is critical, but also has a lesson, which goes back to the theme of the movie, "let the past die". I do not think this was specifically for the past of the Jedi, but for everything. Thats why Luke said its time for the Jedi to end. The Jedi never were successful in stopping evil from rising. Never. Even at their strongest, they could not stop it. Just because the Jedi need to end does not mean The Force should be abandoned. It just needs to be used differently. Creating another school for Jedis simply wont work to stop evil. It did not work before, it would not work now. As I said prior, nothing ever worked so they must hit the "reset" button to create a clean slate (if you will) to formulate a new a plan/method.
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I kind of think that in Luke's case, he had to let go of his past failures more than the Jedi Order itself. In the end, and thanks in part to Yoda's visit, I feel that he re-embraced the Jedi Order and his place in history and imo, became the most powerful Jedi we've seen so far (with his very significant Force astral projection trick) as well as becoming a legend that will inspire the next phase of the rebellion. In some ways, I would have preferred that he would have used the Force to crush the First Order army standing in front of him and had an epic lightsaber battle with Kylo Ren, but I also love that he is now part of the Force and could potentially come back even more powerful than we can possibly imagine in IX. Very exciting stuff...imo.
 
Bairstow

Bairstow

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When it eventually does snow at Disney World, can you imagine the stampede of bloggers and photographers to get there to take pictures?
 
bclane

bclane

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Bairstow said:
When it eventually does snow at Disney World, can you imagine the stampede of bloggers and photographers to get there to take pictures?
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We almost had that scenario. A couple nights ago it rained for much of the night and through the morning. Had it done that the last two nights where it dropped to below freezing, we'd have had a significant snow event here in Orlando. It would have been a disaster if it had happened as people around here already can't drive. Imagine the roads icing up with a little bit of snow on top. Would have been a snowpocalypse!
 
smile

smile

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while not privy to the humidity levels, i am a stone's throw and noticed obvious frost yesterday morning, but not this morning... still 'cold' certainly
 
wdisney9000

wdisney9000

Truindenashendubapreser
Premium Member
smile said:
the police have yet to eliminate crime, therefore, they need to end :rolleyes:
the jedi order was never meant to eliminate evil, merely police it - which it was able to do generally for millennia.

the force is real, and the jedi order, knowing that not having an avenue for channeling those abilities positively is unwise, aimed to elevate the cognition of such so that one can focus on higher meaning as opposed to base primal urges . core of the light v dark has largely always been selflessness v selfishness, which can be an extremely difficult path to navigate by most without training or guidance.

how self-proclaimed star wars fans can toss aside the order is a mystery to me and would have gotten you laughed out of a room years back - should jedi consider adjusting some viewpoints, possibly, but many of their root ideals are more than philosophically sound and a means to assist those with great talent and little experience is certainly warranted.
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I was not inferring that the Force not be used or even controlled. Just pointing out that even Luke recognized that The Order failed even at its strongest.

I am uncertain what you mean by "self proclaimed" Star Wars fans and that they would get "laughed out of a room" for the thought of The Order not being the best way to fight evil. I was unaware that there are rules to being a Star Wars fan and that breaking said rules gets you laughed at. If so, fine by me. Some people are nothing more than followers that need to be part of a group in order to feel they have some form of acceptance and control in their lives. Others can stand on their own and make decisions without requiring others to agree with them.
 

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