What Should Disney do About Vaping?

Kman

Kman

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On our latest trip I happened to notice maybe 2 or 3 people in the parks vaping in the general area and not in the smoking area. I am not sure how many health studies have been done to determine the possible negative 2nd hand impact. The other thing I was wondering was whether there was concern over the how it "looks" considering there are so many kids in the parks.

Being from Ontario where there are very stringent restrictions on smoking I am very supportive of any measures that reduce the number of areas where individuals can smoke when in public however I am not sure how I feel about vaping. My initial reaction would be to treat it as smoking but I suppose if there is zero second hand impact (backed up with proper health and scientific studies) then I might not be completely opposed to it or at least my argument to treat it like smoking would be weakened. That being said I have a problem with kids being exposed to seeing it and I suppose the other thing might be that I don't think anyone should be subject to anyone else's "vapour" whether it is unhealthy or not.

I just think Disney might have to implement a policy on this at some point.
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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Retroman40 said:
Vaping is already only permitted in designated smoking areas. Of course, considering that vaping leaves very little noticeable evidence some "vapers" (is that a word) are somewhat emboldened to grab a puff anywhere.
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Have you seen some of these things? I watched a guy take a draw off of one the other day and he blew out a puff of toxins that rivaled a nuclear bomb cloud. It was huge and you couldn't even see through it. The early e-cigarettes would only put out a small amount of vapor, but not some of these new ones.

By the way, for anyone who thinks e-cigarettes are "safe"....
http://apps.who.int/gb/fctc/PDF/cop6/FCTC_COP6_10Rev1-en.pdf?ua=1
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/journali...s-indoors-says-World-Health-Organisation.html

The WHO talks directly in their report about varying results, but those results are still bad. It just depends on the amount of vapor the machine puts out. I suppose the guy I saw the other day will be dead in a week with that much coming out of the cancer box.
 
marni1971

marni1971

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Just last month in the UK there was an official government acknowledgment that survey results show vaping is 95% safer than smoking. It's looking like they may be introduced on prescription as a method of stopping smoking.

Of course it the company wants to control their use they need to stop removing smoking areas. Otherwise just like tobacco smoking it'll be a free for all.

@G00fyDad - they aren't toxins. It's water vapour. Like from a kettle.
 
MickeyMomV

MickeyMomV

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marni1971 said:
@G00fyDad - they aren't toxins. It's water vapour. Like from a kettle.
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Then it should be OK for people to "Vap" in line and breath a big cloud of vapour in peoples faces after all "it's water vapour. Like from a kettle."

Most places around us are treating it like smoking and banning it from public area's which I think is a wise decision. If Disney has included vaping in their smoking policy I think they are making the right steps.
 
networkpro

networkpro

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In the Parks
Yes
The e-cigarettes are just nicotine delivery devices which only limit the thermal damage to the lungs alveoli , not the chemical damage from carbonyls or particles depositing in the lungs . Same chemical compounds, just derived from the solvents used to dissolve the nicotine and flavorings created as the delivery media is atomized by a heating coil. The median diameter of vaping particles is 200-300nm right in line with cigarette smoke. The mass of the particles in the exhalent vapor is 3 milligrams per cubic meter of air which is 100 times the 24 hour EPA exposure limit for fine particles. Its estimated that 40% of these fine particles would deposit in the lungs.

So while not as bad as regular smoking, its not benign.

I don't see any reason why Disney should pander to some guests harmful addictions which are not limited to their own bodies. Unless they use a full containment rig, they are imposing their poor choice on every other guest.
 
MickeyMomV

MickeyMomV

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marni1971 said:
If you think so though personally I'd think that would be rude.
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Personally? I think vaping is idiotic! I'm hoping that like any other fad it quickly fades away. Watching people take deep breaths from huge vaping boxes makes them look ridiculous. Driving down the road and not being able to see the driver next to me because his car is full of vapour is a saftey hazard that puts everybody at risk. The majority of the people I see vaping are doing it for one of 2 reasons, they see it as a way to skirt around smoking areas and smoking laws, or its the current fad and they think it looks awesome/makes them look awesome.


ERRRRG!!!!. I'm stepping down from my soap box before I say anymore.
 
S

susan richards

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I remember when my husband and I got onto the Magical Express bus from the airport heading to Disney, a couple was vaping on the bus. This was back in 2013, I believe.

I was completely shocked. It was a nearly empty bus and I was surprised the driver didn't say anything.

Since then, I think is been treated as regular smoking, with limited areas.

But, I'll admit, I was irritated with them.
 
zakattack99

zakattack99

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In the Parks
No
Two thoughts 1) the tech on these things is so new that I do not belive that there is substantial evidence one way or the other. We have to rember at one time 4 out of 5 doctors recommend camel cigs... shows how much can change as we learn more and do long terms tests. #2) am I the only one that is still suprised that disney has not banned smoking/vaping outright in the parks?
 
Sonconato

Sonconato

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Here's how my family and I see it:
1) If there is "nothing", good or bad, in the liquid that is giving you a buzz or whatever, then why vape to begin with.
2) Since we know "1" doesn't count since there is something in the liquid, then whether it is good or bad for you, why should anybody that dislikes the vapors have to put up with breathing it? If it effects others that don't want to breath it, then it should be, as it is at Disney, considered the same as smoking.
3) For those that use it, if it is just water vapor, then why exhale? Your body should have no trouble absorbing harmless water vapor, right? Aren't we 75% water anyway? Better yet, since it is liquid, why not drink it?! It won't effect anybody that way.
4) Lastly, if you can't drink it because there are harmful chemicals that could make you sick or kill you, then it "is" the same as smoking.
There is no way anybody can convince me that if there is more than just water in the liquid, what comes out as vapor is pure water. That is simply impossible.
 
ABQ

ABQ

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I like your 4 points @Sonconato , #2 especially. If something impacts others, even if it is just water vapor that dissipates swiftly, I shouldn't have to put up with it. I could go around belching and farting in other's faces, I mean, it's just all natural human gasses, right? But it would be incredibly annoying if I did, so why should others have to put up with it?
I'm being sarcastic, but the point is not far off.
 
G00fyDad

G00fyDad

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Sonconato said:
Here's how my family and I see it:
1) If there is "nothing", good or bad, in the liquid that is giving you a buzz or whatever, then why vape to begin with.
2) Since we know "1" doesn't count since there is something in the liquid, then whether it is good or bad for you, why should anybody that dislikes the vapors have to put up with breathing it? If it effects others that don't want to breath it, then it should be, as it is at Disney, considered the same as smoking.
3) For those that use it, if it is just water vapor, then why exhale? Your body should have no trouble absorbing harmless water vapor, right? Aren't we 75% water anyway? Better yet, since it is liquid, why not drink it?! It won't effect anybody that way.
4) Lastly, if you can't drink it because there are harmful chemicals that could make you sick or kill you, then it "is" the same as smoking.
There is no way anybody can convince me that if there is more than just water in the liquid, what comes out as vapor is pure water. That is simply impossible.
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I agree. It's already been proven that it is harmful and that there are toxins in the liquid. Those that deny it are just scrambling for an excuse since they have already committed to the idea that it is harmless and much better than tobacco. Oddly enough, people thought the same thing about cigarettes long ago. :rolleyes:
 

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