The Spirited Back Nine ...

[GLaDOS]

Thanks for completely missing the point. Well done. You get an A for reading - an F for comprehension

Not to mention Paris's Pirates is in Adventureland.

i would also guess TSPL wil be done by 2016

Don't hold your breath.

 

[baymenxpac]

I wasn't aware that I said I found it distasteful. I believe I said I found it interesting, informative and sometimes amusing (enjoyable). WHY are you having a problem? And why do you think I find everything wonderful at WDW?

maybe if i just throw something out there, this will be diffused. i think some people took issue with what you said because it seemed like an effort to shut down the conversation (i don't think that was your intention). this thread and people who share spirit's critiques of the parks are often dismissed by people as "complainers" or "gloom and doomers." and that frustrates some, because a lot of those people remember what parks and resorts were like at WDW and grow frustrated when they're left to rot amid price hikes and record profits for TWDC. when the counter argument to critiques is, "oh, stop! life is too short. get over it," it's not really conducive to the intention of the board, which is to share -- both positive and negative feedback -- on your thoughts and experiences at WDW.

nearly everything in life is too trivial to really spend time worrying about or discussing ad nauseam. but we wouldn't be human beings if we didn't have interests or emotions. is getting worked up about, say, the mets worth my time in the grand scheme of life? probably not, but i do, because...hey, i'm mortal after all, and i'd like to enjoy my short time here.

anywho, just my $ .02

 

[pmaljr]

IDK man..... you have things catching fire from weather conditions due to fireworks. Cant have that happen.

IDK either, it just seems like this would happen at the castle a lot more too. I would think a water down like they do at the castle and on top of the surrounding buildings would be enough to prevent this but maybe that's a different story ...

 

[ford91exploder]

I don't like the Slinky Dog ride either as it's a bit too kiddy ride/carnival-esque. It's pretty much Heimlich's Chew-Chew, right? If that ride get's replaced with literally anything, even a regular spinner like Dumbo, i'd be happy.

It's a decent first phase either way, they need to come through with a major Pixar E-ticket though or what was even the point?

Cost cutting perhaps, It IS TDO after all.

 

[ford91exploder]

maybe if i just throw something out there, this will be diffused. i think some people took issue with what you said because it seemed like an effort to shut down the conversation (i don't think that was your intention). this thread and people who share spirit's critiques of the parks are often dismissed by people as "complainers" or "gloom and doomers." and that frustrates some, because a lot of those people remember what parks and resorts were like at WDW and grow frustrated when they're left to rot amid price hikes and record profits for TWDC. when the counter argument to critiques is, "oh, stop! life is too short. get over it," it's not really conducive to the intention of the board, which is to share -- both positive and negative feedback -- on your thoughts and experiences at WDW.

nearly everything in life is too trivial to really spend time worrying about or discussing ad nauseam. but we wouldn't be human beings if we didn't have interests or emotions. is getting worked up about, say, the mets worth my time in the grand scheme of life? probably not, but i do, because...hey, i'm mortal after all, and i'd like to enjoy my short time here.

anywho, just my $ .02

Very well stated.

 

[TeriofTerror]

The Toy Story area might end up looking cute and the rides may even be fun (it could happen!), but looking over what's been proposed, it seems to me that all of these options appear to be pretty low-capacity, not a people-eater among them. Am I wrong in this assessment? If so, please speak up! And should this be a concern, or am I just looking for trouble where it doesn't exist?

 

[ford91exploder]

The Toy Story area might end up looking cute and the rides may even be fun (it could happen!), but looking over what's been proposed, it seems to me that all of these options appear to be pretty low-capacity, not a people-eater among them. Am I wrong in this assessment? If so, please speak up! And should this be a concern, or am I just looking for trouble where it doesn't exist?

I agree, Part of this is just to get some cheap flat rides quickly to replace some of the BLT lost capacity, the fear of course is that this is ALL we are going to get other than a third track for TSMM irrespective of announced budgets - and if the gate does not drop it's likely this WILL be it.

 

[FigmentJedi]

You mean like every single Adventureland in every other park besides Magic Kingdom?

Um, whenever Pirates has been cloned, it's always been put in Adventureland. Disneyland and Hong Kong are the only ones that don't have a Pirates in their Adventureland.

 

[FigmentJedi]

I don't like the Slinky Dog ride either as it's a bit too kiddy ride/carnival-esque. It's pretty much Heimlich's Chew-Chew, right? If that ride get's replaced with literally anything, even a regular spinner like Dumbo, i'd be happy.

Slinky Dog is a themed Himalaya. Heimlich's Chew Chew is a kiddie train that could actually be a nice ride if they just extended the track.

 

[GrammieBee]

maybe if i just throw something out there, this will be diffused. i think some people took issue with what you said because it seemed like an effort to shut down the conversation (i don't think that was your intention). this thread and people who share spirit's critiques of the parks are often dismissed by people as "complainers" or "gloom and doomers." and that frustrates some, because a lot of those people remember what parks and resorts were like at WDW and grow frustrated when they're left to rot amid price hikes and record profits for TWDC. when the counter argument to critiques is, "oh, stop! life is too short. get over it," it's not really conducive to the intention of the board, which is to share -- both positive and negative feedback -- on your thoughts and experiences at WDW.

nearly everything in life is too trivial to really spend time worrying about or discussing ad nauseam. but we wouldn't be human beings if we didn't have interests or emotions. is getting worked up about, say, the mets worth my time in the grand scheme of life? probably not, but i do, because...hey, i'm mortal after all, and i'd like to enjoy my short time here.

anywho, just my $ .02

Thanks for the backup--sort of. We like and have been coming to WDW for forty years. However, there are lots of things we don't care for that the powers that be have done or not done over the years. Plus there are a couple of current practices we find very annoying. (To say the least.)

That said, we tend to see things in shades of gray, not just in black and white. There are many reasons from corporate practices, demographics of the visiting public, to an ever changing society to explain why things are the way they are or perceived to be. We may not like all the reasons or practices involved, but that does not change the fact that they are there and we are, at least for the time being, stuck with them. Given time, all things do change. Will all of us like the changes? Probably not.

After reading well over three hundred pages of Spirit posts and replies, one thing found is that some posters seem to take great offense if they think someone does not agree with their position on whatever. They are certainly entitled to feel as they do, but others should also be allowed to have an opinion or make an observation without essentially being told they belong elsewhere or that they are flat out wrong. That fits no definition of a "discussion" of which I am aware. If this observation makes me a thorn in someone's side, so be it.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

The Toy Story area might end up looking cute and the rides may even be fun (it could happen!), but looking over what's been proposed, it seems to me that all of these options appear to be pretty low-capacity, not a people-eater among them. Am I wrong in this assessment? If so, please speak up! And should this be a concern, or am I just looking for trouble where it doesn't exist?

Well, it sounds like the potential for a new Cars dark ride might be the "people eater" for the Pixar expansion. If they do that plus TSPL, then that's some decent added capacity. Maybe.

 

[misterID]

Thanks for the backup--sort of. We like and have been coming to WDW for forty years. However, there are lots of things we don't care for that the powers that be have done or not done over the years. Plus there are a couple of current practices we find very annoying. (To say the least.)

That said, we tend to see things in shades of gray, not just in black and white. There are many reasons from corporate practices, demographics of the visiting public, to an ever changing society to explain why things are the way they are or perceived to be. We may not like all the reasons or practices involved, but that does not change the fact that they are there and we are, at least for the time being, stuck with them. Given time, all things do change. Will all of us like the changes? Probably not.

After reading well over three hundred pages of Spirit posts and replies, one thing found is that some posters seem to take great offense if they think someone does not agree with their position on whatever. They are certainly entitled to feel as they do, but others should also be allowed to have an opinion or make an observation without essentially being told they belong elsewhere or that they are flat out wrong. That fits no definition of a "discussion" of which I am aware. If this observation makes me a thorn in someone's side, so be it.

The only reason people responded to you was the fact you kept on about the posters in this thread complaining and trying to get people to see things the way you do, or more to the point, like your post here, just get over what you don't like and deal with it. Yeah, that's not going to happen. And when you make it personal like that, criticizing the poster and not the topic, you're going to get push back. Again that's what these boards are for. I don't even know what you've Been posting about in this thread other than other posters, tbh. Not trying to be ugly, or trying to start an argument, just pointing this out.

 

[GrammieBee]

The only reason people responded to you was the fact you kept on about the posters in this thread complaining and trying to get people to see things the way you do, or more to the point, like your post here, just get over what you don't like and deal with it. Yeah, that's not going to happen. And when you make it personal like that, criticizing the poster and not the topic, you're going to get push back. Again that's what these boards are for. I don't even know what you've Been posting about in this thread other than other posters, tbh. Not trying to be ugly, or trying to start an argument, just pointing this out.

WOW!

 

[doctornick]

Good. I hope they also have a new procedure in development to curb rider switch abuse. Some attractions attempt to curb it by asking to see if the party actually has a child that's too short, but sometimes that isn't enough.

In my experience, they always ask to see the child (though, admittedly, I'm pretty proactive in bringing the child up to the ride CM to show). I'm not sure what concern you have beyond that, though I agree that they should see (and measure if needed) the child as part of the program.

FWIW, I rather prefer the Disney child swap to Uni's. My children got scared in some of the Uni queues and just wanted to leave and it also means that the child has to be waiting in a line, but doesn't get the reward of actually riding the ride. Conceptually, I agree with the fairness of Uni's system, but the experience is not as ideal when you have the small child who cannot ride.

 

[flynnibus]

Not to mention Paris's Pirates is in Adventureland.

And Toyko... but who am I to let facts get in the way of stupidity

 

[doctornick]

The backlot tour was VERY big you know. TSPL won't cover probably even half of the land it took up.

And if LMA gets closed at some point for additional Pixar offerings (east coast Cars Land?), that adds even more land to the mix. TSPL takes up a very small footprint in Paris and Hong Kong.

 

[Marc Gil]

DHS's Toy Story Playland will be the equivalent of DCA's a bug's land.

Sure they're not E-Ticket attractions, but we need more A,B, and C tickets at DHS like MK to eat up the crowds.

 

[GiveMeTheMusic]

My issues with TSPL are not that it is flat ride based, but that it's ugly and lazy. Why not come up with something new for DHS? God only knows the world doesn't need more Toy Story attractions. Change it up, make it at least interesting instead of "giant toys". Lazy.

 

[Phil12]

IDK either, it just seems like this would happen at the castle a lot more too. I would think a water down like they do at the castle and on top of the surrounding buildings would be enough to prevent this but maybe that's a different story ...

Or they could establish and adhere to a stringent fire weather data program that keeps real time weather conditions to record temperature, wind speed and direction, relative humidity and other pertinent information. When weather conditions are not suitable for a fireworks show (or if conditions deteriorate during a show) they can stop the fireworks in the interest of guest safety.

 

[GoofGoof]

The backlot tour was VERY big you know. TSPL won't cover probably even half of the land it took up.

Agreed. Actually, looking at it on maps I would say Paris's TSPL looks to be less than 1/3 the size of the land freed up at DHS so there should be plenty of space left over. If someone more creative and computer savvy than me cares to overlay the TSPL area onto a DHS map it would confirm this.

From a money standpoint, back in 2010 the complete land in Paris cost $87M. Assuming some inflation it may end up an even $100M. Well under 10% of the total rumored budget.