DHS DHS Soundstage 1 Renovation - Toy Storia Mania expansion

Captain Neo

Well-Known Member
100% confirmed.

DHS - if plans pan out, and they are at a very late stage right now - could be getting an overhaul bigger than DCA got. I won't go further for now, suffice to say the plans are huge. Yes, they involve another name change, and yes they involve the hat too.

But this directly contradicts WDW1974 who says Disney wants to invest as little money into the parks as possible out in Orlando. Your saying that huge plans are coming for Walt Disney World but WDW1974 has painted a rather grim picture instead indicating that at best DHS will get a star wars land and a watered down cars land.

I want to believe you but Spirit has never been wrong in the almost 10 years that i've been following his posts.....
 

misterID

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But this directly contradicts WDW1974 who says Disney wants to invest as little money into the parks as possible out in Orlando. Your saying that huge plans are coming for Walt Disney World but WDW1974 has painted a rather grim picture instead indicating that at best DHS will get a star wars land and a watered down cars land.

I want to believe you but Spirit has never been wrong in the almost 10 years that i've been following his posts.....
I think he said something to the effect that Disney doesn't have a problem spending money, it was more about Orlando doesn't like spending money and it seems these decisions are coming from Cali not Orlando.
 

RSoxNo1

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where would Mystic Manor fit in DAK? just curious what you think

Personally, I think it would be a reasonably in theme if Mystic Manor is put in Asia, perhaps given more Indian influences on the architecture and have a backstory of Lord Mystic settling in Anandapur (maybe being a magistrate in the area or somesuch). The monkey plays a key part of the plot of the ride, pretty much to the same extent as the Yeti in E:E (entirely different execution, of course, but my point being that E:E -- or KRR -- isn't exactly packed with animals).

That is a big stretch ...

Reconfiguring Anandapur opens up the Northern expansion pad. There's also room between Harambe and Flights of Wonder or along the Harambe to Avatar path. As doctornick mentioned, there are no animals on Kali River Rapids other than elephant statues so the fit wouldn't be any worse than that. In terms of space, it could also replace the treehouse in Adventureland.
 

misterID

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Yes there is still a difference between adding attractions based on mythological creatures that were written as fables not to X in the environment. Hence why in middle ages the amount of different bog based creatures designed to keep children from playing near a bog. Than simply stating Mystic Manor fits because it has a monkey in it.
Eh, I don't know, man. I don't remember any criteria about what fantastical creatures or stories has to be met to be included in DAK, especially seeing Avatarland is being built. I think an animal based fantasy tale that Mystic Manor has fits perfect and it's the type of attraction DAK needs.

I mean, if Disney announced they were opening a rain forest area, built in a fictional "Mysterious Island" with it's own weird mythology where supernatural creatures are known to dwell, I don't think anyone would have a problem with it and it would fit the MM story. I'm positive WDI could find a way to make it fit the DAK theme.
 

SirLink

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Eh, I don't know, man. I don't remember any criteria about what fantastical creatures or stories has to be met to be included in DAK, especially seeing Avatarland is being built. I think an animal based fantasy tale that Mystic Manor has fits perfect and it's the type of attraction DAK needs.

I mean, if Disney announced they were opening a rain forest area, built in a fictional "Mysterious Island" with it's own weird mythology where supernatural creatures are known to dwell, I don't think anyone would have a problem with it and it would fit the MM story. I'm positive WDI could find a way to make it fit the DAK theme.

What animal based fantasy tale does Mystic Manor tell?

That is the problem with WDI these days though...plus we are so off topic we are about to hit the Western point on the compass.
 

Big Bad Wolf

Active Member
What animal based fantasy tale does Mystic Manor tell?

That is the problem with WDI these days though...plus we are so off topic we are about to hit the Western point on the compass.
MM would be a perfect match for DAK...Just saying the was always a fondness for Adventurer's Club from all areas...it would be similar to Expedition Everest...We always wondered about the animal connection for this ride...MM brings the authentic adventure to the park...hmmmmmmmmm
 

BrerJon

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MM would be a perfect match for DAK...Just saying the was always a fondness for Adventurer's Club from all areas...it would be similar to Expedition Everest...We always wondered about the animal connection for this ride...MM brings the authentic adventure to the park...hmmmmmmmmm

There was a rumour once that The Adventurer's Club would reopen in DAK, or in Hong Kong by Mystic Manor. Tower of Terror's storyline in Tokyo like those in the USA, so there's no reason a DAK Mystic Manor couldn't be substantially different in theme.

What if the story for the DAK version is that the manor is a retreat for the Society of Explorers and Adventurers, a base from which they can explore the jungle and go on safari expeditions. But local tribes are weary of the land the outpost was built on, warning that mankind shouldn't interfere with nature, and say it's cursed... couple this with an Adventurer's Club table service restaurant, and you're away.
 

dhall

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I've been saying Wall-E should get a ride.
The scene with that chairs moving in mid air might actually make a good ride concept.

I'd be worried that TDO would route the ride through an actual quick service restaurant and require that you buy at least a large soft drink to continue. In their minds, it'd be the first ride to generate actual honest-to-goodness revenue.
 

danlb_2000

Premium Member
Original Poster
But this directly contradicts WDW1974 who says Disney wants to invest as little money into the parks as possible out in Orlando. Your saying that huge plans are coming for Walt Disney World but WDW1974 has painted a rather grim picture instead indicating that at best DHS will get a star wars land and a watered down cars land.

I want to believe you but Spirit has never been wrong in the almost 10 years that i've been following his posts.....

I appreciate WDW1974's contribution to the board, but if you look back through his posts you will find that he has been wrong on multiple occasions. I don't think he or Martin are trying to deceive us, but he may have been given bad information of things might have changed.
 

docandsix

Active Member
Confirmed third track for TSM coming to DHS.

Not sure quite how I feel about this. Our family loves Toy Story Midway Mania (we should use its proper name, despite TDO's foolish and inexplicable decision to shorten it), but the draw is based at least in part on the relative difficulty we have getting to experience it. If the wait times allowed us to play the game 20 times in one day (or even in one trip), it would likely get boring quickly.

I understand the objections to the attraction based on its reliance on screens and projections, but this allows for greater variety than an attraction featuring animatronics can claim, at least in theory. If exercised properly, this flexibility could make the attraction imminently repeatable, regardless of the wait times. Sadly, the opportunity has thus far hardly been exploited.

Anyway, the direction that TDO seems to be heading right now reflects the misguided and thankfully unrealized instinct to turn all of Adventureland into Pirateland back in the mid-2000's when pirate fever/Johnny Depp obsession had reached its faddish peak. At the rate we're going, WDW could become Frozenland and Toy Story World, judging from the desire to capitalize financially on cultural trends and to expand old franchises rather than tapping new ideas and old Blue Sky Imaginnering.

Perhaps an optimist can see a ray of hope in the expansion of Toy Story Midway Mania, though. Is it possible that this quick and dirty, comparatively cheap expansion represents simply a prelude and an attempt to drive attendance and to placate crowds as other attractions are shuttered and entire regions of the park plowed under in anticipation of a real makeover yet to come?
 

Big Bad Wolf

Active Member
DAK is still in need for additional rides once the water show has been added to the park. A great competitor for Harry Potter fanatics. You haven't seen anything yet to what is coming to WDW.
 

SirLink

Well-Known Member
MM would be a perfect match for DAK...Just saying the was always a fondness for Adventurer's Club from all areas...it would be similar to Expedition Everest...We always wondered about the animal connection for this ride...MM brings the authentic adventure to the park...hmmmmmmmmm

I'm still waiting to hear this great animal fantasy tale that your saying is in the ride? MM will never come to DAK ... and the off chance it does I'm going to hit the suit that thinks its a good idea.
 

jt04

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I actually don't want the Ratatouille ride myself, it's kind of a letdown as far as i'm concerned. Mystic Manor and Tokyo's Pooh are IMO far better examples of trackless dark rides. Rat relies far too heavily on screens for my tastes. I know i've said this many times, but I value a healthy dose of animatronics in my Disney rides (one of the reasons i dislike TSMM, though far from the only one in its case).


Yes he did, and yes that is the logic (facts actually). Lasseter is a very powerful figure in the company, and it has been stated by more than one insider on these forums that he used political leverage to threaten the executives into building Cars Land properly when they wanted to mutilate its budget. Lee or Martin can probably elaborate more on this (may have been one of them that said this originally), but i'd imagine he has a lot of dirt on certain people in the company to be capable of the power he displayed on the Cars Land project. Had Lasseter been hands off on the project and let Iger and the other bean counters have their own way, DCA would probably have been stuck with something more akin to the quality seen of Cars Quatre Roues Rallye at Walt Disney Studios Park Paris. And likely still in the same dire state of poor attendance it was in prior to its renovation.

New Fantasyland again is another perfect example of what happens when bean counters like Iger and TDO get their dirty hands on a project to slash the living hell out of it without a powerful creative head to firmly put their foot down and tell them "NO". You end up with a disappointing mess that feels thoroughly half assed. One hopes that James Cameron is fulfilling that role in regards to Avatar, it remains to be seen about the DHS overhaul though.

That is funny because I read Iger couldn't wait to show off the scale model of the project whenever he was able and that he was very proud of it. And that is not the attitude of a CEO who was not approving of the project behind the scenes.

And if I am not mistaken, most people were much more pleased with FLE 2.0 than the first version. A few of us thought the first version was better but Lee and others were glad it got reimagined. And if anything the budget was increased and not decreased.

Same with HW being reimagined into the much much bigger Disney Springs.

Facts are stubborn things.
 


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