Cameron has given the OK ...

[invader]

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/...ion-for-true-flight-simulator-vehicle.829729/

Doesn't anyone remember this? It would work quite well for a motion simulator.

 

[Rasvar]

The only thing that surprises me is that an agreement actually happened. Personally, I was hoping for a little more. I just have to wonder if this sidetracks any work at DHS or if something will still happen. To see work in both parks at the same time would be wonderful. But, I'll wait to see what falls out with Avatarland before I praise, condemn or something in between.

 

[culturenthrills]

Nope.
There are four theaters, arranged kinda like M:S. you go in, see the show in one theatre, on one screen, and exit.

Lame

 

[MerlinTheGoat]

This HAS actually piqued my interest honestly after seeing the blueprints. Though it's not the Soarin 2.0 that interests me here, its the potential boat ride. I'm a huge sucker for good boat attractions like Living With the Land, POTC, etc. If there are any physical sets or animatronic figures at all then it's captured at least a bit of interest from me. I only hope they don't go the overly cheap route and rely almost exclusively on projected images (I had even heard rumors that Shanghai's POTC was going to be lighter on real scenes and heavy on video).

So the questions- Will the boat ride have any physical sets and animatronics, or is it just video screens? And am I correct in assuming that what we're seeing of the water ride is only part of the full thing (the track on either side ends rather abruptly on both sides at the top of the image)? AND would this ride contain any drops, or is it flat only?

I'm keeping somewhat of an open mind here if more than just a Soarin clone is built. If cuts are made however and the boat ride is scrapped with only Soarin 2.0, I'm not interested. Soarin is kind of fun but nothing spectacular. We'll see.

I think a land based on Pandora could be lovely in the hands of incredible talent. Regardless of my mixed thoughts on the movie itself, it's quite pretty and I'm at least somewhat interested in seeing what they can come up with. Doesn't belong in Animal Kingdom but i'll still try to keep an open mind till we see more.

 

[GrumpyFan]

This is why earlier I speculated the system may borrow some from Vekoma's I-Ride system.
http://vekoma.com/index.php/specialities-and-attractions/panoramic-flight-simulator
If you look on the Vekoma page, you can see that it loads on multiple levels. It also looks as though the vehicles have a broader range of motion than the large Soarin' mechanism.

Just curious how Disney would borrow from something THEY created?
I get what you're saying though. I think the idea of having multiple floors and perhaps a separator between them is a good idea as it eliminates the dangling feet over the heads of the bottom two rows. Also, with this separation, there is a potential for greater flexibility in maneuverability. They could have one floor be less intense with less movement than the other, or they could even make all three rows offer different levels of movement from none/minimal increasing on the second to maximum/intense on the third. Also, it allows for easier handicap/assisted access. And, with 4 different rooms/theaters, can we hope for maybe 4 different films/experiences?

 

[disneyflush]

The only thing that surprises me is that an agreement actually happened. Personally, I was hoping for a little more. I just have to wonder if this sidetracks any work at DHS or if something will still happen. To see work in both parks at the same time would be wonderful. But, I'll wait to see what falls out with Avatarland before I praise, condemn or something in between.

I wonder what Disney has been proposing for the last year that Cameron did not accept to finally have him accept the proposal floating around now?

 

[lazyboy97o]

Just curious how Disney would borrow from something THEY created?
I get what you're saying though. I think the idea of having multiple floors and perhaps a separator between them is a good idea as it eliminates the dangling feet over the heads of the bottom two rows. Also, with this separation, there is a potential for greater flexibility in maneuverability. They could have one floor be less intense with less movement than the other, or they could even make all three rows offer different levels of movement from none/minimal increasing on the second to maximum/intense on the third. Also, it allows for easier handicap/assisted access. And, with 4 different rooms/theaters, can we hope for maybe 4 different films/experiences?

Disney and Vekoma have a history of working together, so I do not know if I-Ride is just a different enough rip off or if Vekoma was involved with the Soarin' ride system which then evolved into the commercially available I-Ride (sort of how Arrow Development helped WED in the creation of the tubular steel coaster for the Matterhorn and then went on to sell tubular steel coasters to others). But Disney can borrow from the I-Ride system, if Vekoma was not involved in Soarin', because it does make several improvements, many of which you have mentioned.

 

[GrumpyFan]

If I may be the "fly in the ointment", I'm curious how all the talk went from "the project is dead" or "on life support" to being alive and "voila, here it is"! Are we really buying that this is it? And, that it's officially been green lit? I'm not trying to be discouraging here, because this looks great, but we all know that the road to new attractions is littered with MANY well-designed, proposed and even supposedly planned and announced projects that were never built.

 

[flynnibus]

BTW, Flynnibus nailed the point of why you leak something early on ... but I don't know where that post is and don't have time to find it.

aww.. and I thought you stopped caring Quoted below

It can be answered with the old saying...

"How to say something without saying anything at all..."

That's what leaks like this do - drum up excitement/buzz, without the company actually having to commit to anything, and is right up the alley of the fanbase that lusts for 'inside' info.

 

[mgf]

dont you guys think its a bit strange that Spirit announced that Cameron gave the go ahead last night and today Disney quickly moved to announce top talent on the project? I think this is looking to confirm Spirits theory that this was a controlled leak.

I posed the same question in the other thread. Steve said this was announced in September, but he did not have time to post it sooner.

 

[wdwmagic]

I posed the same question in the other thread. Steve said this was announced in September, but he did not have time to post it sooner.

Not quite right. I only just found about this, but I don't think it was actually publicly announced at all. His appointment took place in September 2012.

 

[GoofGoof]

Except that it actually says "C Ticket" on the plans. I have no doubt that this will be where the new anamatronic tech will be going, but it's still a C Ticket ride system. I imagine it will be a lot like The Land only with cutting edge AAs.

IMHO a boat ride with cutting edge AAs sounds pretty good. I still love Pirates and feel its one of the best rides in WDW. I know that Pirates was considered an E ticket when built, but if built today would probably not be. I'm not expecting anything as elaborate as pirates, but I would much rather have a cool boat ride over a spinner or something like that.

 

[culturenthrills]

If I may be the "fly in the ointment", I'm curious how all the talk went from "the project is dead" or "on life support" to being alive and "voila, here it is"! Are we really buying that this is it? And, that it's officially been green lit? I'm not trying to be discouraging here, because this looks great, but we all know that the road to new attractions is littered with MANY well-designed, proposed and even supposedly planned and announced projects that were never built.

I really think that this project was virtually dead. You gotta understand that we are dealing with Hollywood sized egos. There could have been one or two sticking points that was the hold up. I think Cameron held out until he felt it was good enough to go forward. When you are someone like Cameron you are gonna demand the whole world from Disney but he had to know that he would have to compromise at some point. I know that isn't his normal MO but he did create the T2 attraction for UNI so I am sure he is well aware of the give and take that comes with theme park design. But that is just my opinion, I could be wrong.

 

[lazyboy97o]

If I may be the "fly in the ointment", I'm curious how all the talk went from "the project is dead" or "on life support" to being alive and "voila, here it is"! Are we really buying that this is it? And, that it's officially been green lit? I'm not trying to be discouraging here, because this looks great, but we all know that the road to new attractions is littered with MANY well-designed, proposed and even supposedly planned and announced projects that were never built.

In some ways I think this is just the nature of companies like Disney. One minute something is barely happening, the next it is moving full steam ahead like never before. Most of the stories centered on disagreements between Cameron and Disney regarding content. Yes, more roadblocks and arise, but that was the big one and it has apparently been overcome.

 

[Beholder]

IMHO a boat ride with cutting edge AAs sounds pretty good. I still love Pirates and feel its one of the best rides in WDW. I know that Pirates was considered an E ticket when built, but if built today would probably not be. I'm not expecting anything as elaborate as pirates, but I would much
rather have a cool boat ride over a spinner or
something like that.

Yes, 100% agree. I love most water based attractions. Something about being on a "boat" that conveys the feeling of a "real" journey. With a decent narrative and great AA technology, this may be something I get more excited about than the "E" ticket.

 

[GoofGoof]

I'm going to chime in again, if for no other reason than to clear up a few of the misnomers and misconceptions being batted around. Lee and others have done a nice job giving yes and no answers to specific details, but since these drawings have obviously saturated the web already, there are hundreds or thousands of people interpreting them improperly.

Great post. The limited pictures I saw posted on-line made little sense to me and now I know why. I can barely change the filter on my AC unit let alone interpret HVAC plans. Were there any mentions of other buildings or external theming around the main building or will the shops and restaurant be housed inside the "mountain" building with the main ride? I gues what I'm getting at is will Avatarland all be enclosed in 1 large building or will it be more like Cars land with RSR being the main attraction, but other elements branching out from it?

 

[COProgressFan]

I posted this some time ago. Mermaid will be replaced with a Phineas and Ferb show.

We know, just some of us are just in denial about it...

 

[Patricia Melton]

Wow! I got to bed and do homework all morning and miss ALL the fun! Oh well, still went and saw the "leaked" blueprints... Not sure exactly what I'm looking at but sounds like the description of Project Morpho .

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For some that are disappointed, I would like to say this: I know a lot of us were expecting a lot, but I think some of us were protecting what we wanted to see (with lack of any real information). From all the descriptions, I'm sure it will be great attractions. And themed out to the nines!

I am not disappointed or overwhelmed. I was looking forward to this, only because DAK needs SOMETHING added. I am glad Disney is adding something. Yes, the movie of Avatar was boring and silly, but Pandora was visually pleasing and I have no doubt this area will be too.

Now just let's wait for the concept art

Have you noticed how all the malcontents got INCREDIBLY QUIET now that New Fantasyland is nearing completion.

All of the people who spent the last several years on Disney fan sites attacking the Mouse and claiming that all the attractions in FLE would be terrible are nowhere to be found now that we can see how amazing the place is.

I distinctly remember, in particular, the malcontents saying that BOG restaurant would be stupid and terrible and ugly and you name it...and instead it's the most gorgeous restaurant I have ever seen. It's enchanting. The whole FLE is enchanting beyond my dreams.

And all the malcontents are pretending they never said anything bad about any of it.

I wish they would man (or woman) up and admit they were wrong and that it was a waste of energy to be so evil towards these projects for so long. I wish they would just admit that they hate things and complain solely for something to do.

 

[mgf]

Not quite right. I only just found about this, but I don't think it was actually publicly announced at all. His appointment took place in September 2012.

Thanks for clarifying. Sorry!

 

[jdmdisney99]

When you get home and see leaked Avatarland concept art, you have to be happy. This looks great and the detail will be amazing plus new rides. I haven't read all 23 pages since I last looked at this thread so I was wondering how this blueprint setup of the land would fit where CMM is now?