The Living Seas of Old Epcot

[Innoventions]

I agree with you WDI is not what it once was and Baxter has been swallowed by the synergy beast.

Nobody at WDI impresses me right now no more revolutionary people like

Marc Davis
Eddie Sotto
Marty Skylar!

Its not what it once was because they were designing in the Golden age, money was relatively a non issue and they could let their imagination run rampant. They are revolutionary because their ideas were so easily transfered from design to product, and you can see the brilliance because they were very little to no cost cutting. These guys are amazing, but Imagineers now have a much harder time. You have to realize this.

 

[SleepingMonk]

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Learn to do more with less.

Use IMAGINATIVE ways to deliver a quality experience that fits the given theme and budget.

Not much to ask really.

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

Just like Yoda said so well, its either you see an overlay or the pavilion is Bulldozed. Im glad they didnt remove the seas still one of my favorites.

Yoda said that? In which episode? The Empire strikes back?

I'm just kidding, it sounded just too funny when I read it.

 

[SleepingMonk]

Its not what it once was because they were designing in the Golden age, money was relatively a non issue and they could let their imagination run rampant. They are revolutionary because their ideas were so easily transfered from design to product, and you can see the brilliance because they were very little to no cost cutting. These guys are amazing, but Imagineers now have a much harder time. You have to realize this.

Disney just dropped $100 million on a single ride.

Did they create anything new, exciting or inspiring?

New ride system, next generation animatronic, interactive experience....anything new at all?

Nope. No wow factor and they had $100 million to work with.

What does a quality imagination sell for these days?

 

[Innoventions]

Improvise, adapt, overcome.

Learn to do more with less.

Use IMAGINATIVE ways to deliver a quality experience that fits the given theme and budget.

Not much to ask really.

Its quite alot actually.

Given that what you just said is exactly what they did in this pavilion. And your not happy, at least from you posts it seems that way.

And what do you think is imaginative? Imagination only goes a long way. You need interest. For the cost, the Imagineers re themed the pavilion to create interest and generate guest flow. Nemo is like a catapult that sent the pavilion from a complete miss for most guests to a must do.

 

[Innoventions]

Disney just dropped $100 million on a single ride.

Did they create anything new, exciting or inspiring?

New ride system, next generation animatronic, interactive experience....anything new at all?

Nope. No wow factor and they had $100 million to work with.

What does a quality imagination sell for these days?

Alot due to the fact of rising labor and construction cost, along with everything else thats rising. Imagination is priceless, Ideas are not, but when those ideas need to be transferred to the real world thats where cost cutting, and the once Imaginative idea diminishes a little bit. You would not believe the frustation you have when an idea you had, that was amazing, gets diminished to almost nothing you had before because of cost cutting. You as a designer dont recognize the completed product. Some of your idea is there, but its never, or almost never what you had in the beginning.

 

[Master Yoda]

Disney just dropped $100 million on a single ride.

Did they create anything new, exciting or inspiring?

New ride system, next generation animatronic, interactive experience....anything new at all?

Nope. No wow factor and they had $100 million to work with.

What does a quality imagination sell for these days?

About $19 a pound. Sometimes you can find it at Sam's for $17-$18 but the quality is not always as good.

 

[SleepingMonk]

About $19 a pound. Sometimes you can find it at Sam's for $17-$18 but the quality is not always as good.

That better be organic, free range grass fed.

I don't want any cheap grain finished factory style imagination.

 

[Master Yoda]

That better be organic, free range grass fed.

I don't want any cheap grain finished factory style imagination.

Organic is nearly twice as much but according to numerous studies it is not any better than the regular stuff. While there are standards that have to be met to get an "organic" tag it is really nothing more than marketing. The organic stuff will spout out a bunch of stuff like "Think outside of the box!" and "Thread the needle!" and they might wear Native American or Middle Eastern clothing but they provide no real additional substance.

 

[SleepingMonk]

... they might wear Native American or Middle Eastern clothing but they provide no real additional substance.

Long dangly earrings included?

 

[Choodles]

Disney just dropped $100 million on a single ride.

Did they create anything new, exciting or inspiring?

New ride system, next generation animatronic, interactive experience....anything new at all?

Nope. No wow factor and they had $100 million to work with.

What does a quality imagination sell for these days?

Agreed they had 100 million and that is what we get for TLM!!! Please the ride looks like they spent 20!

100 million for a Dticket omnimover they should have been able to build two for that much money!

 

[Master Yoda]

Agreed they had 100 million and that is what we get for TLM!!! Please the ride looks like they spent 20!

100 million for a Dticket omnimover they should have been able to build two for that much money!

Where are you getting $100 million from?

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

I would say that both sides have quite good arguments.

The old Living Seas ride began with an impressive movie and the hydrolators were a cool idea, they created a feeling of things to come that was quite disappointed. Let's face it, Living Seas fans, the ride after the hydrolators was LAME. You rode in a seacab through a sterile tunnel without any theming whatsoever, for several minutes and the only thing you could see was the aquarium. Nothing happened, no effects etc. It was quite boring and added nothing to the experience you would later have anyways when you watched the aquarium from the observation deck.
I understand that Disney had to change that because despite the beautiful music it had it was by far the most uninteresting ride (after the hydrolators) FW had to offer in those days.

But those who critisize that Nemo doesn't fit into a FW-theming are quite right too. Nemo has nothing to do with the topic of Future World and let's face it Nemo and Friends fans, the ride looks quite cheap. It was a later change and it shows. Several effects are very basic (The jellyfishes) and the entire ride is charming but doesn't tell you anything about the seas.

Could it have been different. I say yes. They could have transformed the ride into a much more interesting experience without tacking on a movie character.
They could have changed the ride into a ride through the different environments of the sea, from the abyssic depths of the deep sea trenches where some of the most bizarre animals in the world live to the coral reefs.
The Anglerfish scene in the Nemo ride shows what could have been done, after the hydrolators you would have entered an area that makes you believe that you are really in deep seas, in the region of eternal darkness and where you finally boarded the seacabs that know looked like minusubs, designed to withstand the enormous pressure of the deep. An entire section could have been filled with confrontations with terryfying yet realistic monsters of the deep. You could have done a kind of scientific 20.000 LutS-journey before you finally entered the Seabase Alpha part of the building.

 

[Choodles]

Where are you getting $100 million from?

Everything I have read says that TLM in DCA coat 100 million dollars.

 

[SleepingMonk]

Could it have been different. I say yes. They could have transformed the ride into a much more interesting experience without tacking on a movie character.
They could have changed the ride into a ride through the different environments of the sea, from the abyssic depths of the deep sea trenches where some of the most bizarre animals in the world live to the coral reefs.
The Anglerfish scene in the Nemo ride shows what could have been done, an entire section in the deep sea with confrontations with terryfying yet realistic monsters of the deep. You could have done a kind of scientific 20.000 LutS-journey before you entered the Seabase Alpha part of the building.

You're hired!

Please report to Imagineer Headquarters and begin work immediately.

 

[Master Yoda]

Everything I have read says that TLM in DCA coat 100 million dollars.

Disney rarely releases the actual cost of construction. I have seen the $100 million dollar figure thrown around but the word "estimated" has always preceded it. Even if that $100 million dollar figure is correct, what data are you using to determine that it was too much?

 

[Choodles]

Disney rarely releases the actual cost of construction. I have seen the $100 million dollar figure thrown around but the word "estimated" has always preceded it. Even if that $100 million dollar figure is correct, what data are you using to determine that it was too much?

A 7 minute dark that uses an omnimover shouldt cost 100 million. It a nice little Dticket but not at that cost!

 

[Spike-in-Berlin]

You're hired!

Please report to Imagineer Headquarters and begin work immediately.

Oh I really would like to because as an architect I am at the moment without a job and I have to work as a tour guide. Being an imagineer would be really a blast. But sadly I believe you are no WDI official are you?

 

[Master Yoda]

A 7 minute dark that uses an omnimover shouldt cost 100 million. It a nice little Dticket but not at that cost!

I do not think your average 4 door sedan should cost $20k-$25k but there are plenty that do. I do not think a steak should cost $80 but there are dozens of Ruth Chris steak houses that charge this every day. Again I ask. What are you basing that on?

 

[Choodles]

I do not think your average 4 door sedan should cost $20k-$25k but there are plenty that do. I do not think a steak should cost $80 but there are dozens of Ruth Chris steak houses that charge this every day. Again I ask. What are you basing that on?

Well EE was supposed to cost 100 million so if both are true TLM is a joke!