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[mickEblu]

You see where that grass is, that was a driveway for the former hotel that was there. And while you don't need that much, think about it that is about the size of half the usable space and that just for that driveway. So even if you took half that driveway size (which is approximately the size of the average sidewalk), that is still a quarter of the usable space that would be needed. Again no real space for a public access point.

I mean I get it. It’s tight. But I feel like they could fit a path in there the size of a sidewalk walk if they wanted to.

 

[Disney Irish]

I mean I get it. It’s tight. But I feel like they could fit a path in there the size of a sidewalk walk if they wanted to.

Any space you create for public access you have to take away from the bridge. And the idea was that it was suppose to be a wide gradual incline.

Well @chadwpalm seems to think that is where they will be putting the landing for the public access to the bridge on the east side, rather than it being further in where the entrance will be. I don't see it as I think its too small, just like its too small for a walkway, but I guess we'll see what happens.

 

[Disney Irish]

You'd be doubling the number of people who currently go through the Harbor screening from the Harbor and south hotels with people now coming from the parking garage. How are you not seeing that? You think the Harbor security could handle what it handles now plus people coming in from 6000 parking spaces? They need to be separate just as Toy Story and M&F is separate.

Nope. When Disney decided to expand the security bubble to include DTD, two bag checks were added to western DTD. One in front of the DLH between ESPN Zone and the old Earl of Sandwich, and one on the north side between ESPN and Rainforest.

The one on the west side accommodated DLH guests, PP guests (who didn't try to cut through GCH) and everyone parking in Simba visiting DTD. The north bag check accommodated guests parking for DTD in the north lot (which isn't designated for that anymore) and now for people walking from M&F.

Now there's the southwest entrance that accommodates the Simba and PP peeps, and the west is now primarily for DLH guests (though Simba peeps could still walk up to that one if they want). That's the only thing that's changed.

Yes, they did previously before the security bubble was expanded and that's when they added the Toy Story screening which is EVERY morning until mid-afternoon when the Harbor screening dies down.

See above. You'd be adding an entire parking garage full of guests to the already nightmare wait that there currently is every morning at the Harbor bag check.

Anyway....I have things to do today. Peace out everyone!

I see your points, but still think its overkill, because unlike with TSL or the DLH or other screening locations they won't be able to redirect screening if you want it shutdown during the day. Basically you're splitting one single unified screening location into two permanently inaccessible from each other screening locations.

But again we'll see what happens. It'll be an interesting time to monitor this.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

 

[mickEblu]

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

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Well @Disney Analyst you did nail it with the new Magnolia Park haha. So I’m thinking you might be on to something but all I see is a low planter between the two lanes on the bridge. If we re taking the concept art at face value and what they said in the article that wouldn’t work. Now where you ended your red and purple line their does appear that their might be some sort of plexiglass wall.

 

[NobodyElse]

When you have to walk all the way around, what's the point of staying "across the street". No one is going to walk around to any of those restaurants to eat in the afternoon.

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Yes, that's a comparatively long walk. But as I recall, Disney offered access to that North/South main walkway to all of those hotel/motels. Many of which would have easy access from their parking lots. Others I would think could negotiate access from their neighbors. If (as they were proposing) everyone would need to pass through what is labeled on the drawing as "SECURITY GATEWAY", some of those back rooms could have been advertised as the closest walks to the parks, all while avoiding that Harbor crosswalk.

 

[BrianLo]

Do they? Again it seems like an extra expense for little benefit, ie only in the morning. So now you have to have CMs in two locations from open to close instead of one when one does the job just fine.

It’s already a negative experience and they are adding people and removing space from the Harbour screening area. It’s a necessity for both.

 

[mickEblu]

Yes, that's a comparatively long walk. But as I recall, Disney offered access to that North/South main walkway to all of those hotel/motels. Many of which would have easy access from their parking lots. Others I would think could negotiate access from their neighbors. If (as they were proposing) everyone would need to pass through what is labeled on the drawing as "SECURITY GATEWAY", some of those back rooms could have been advertised as the closest walks to the parks, all while avoiding that Harbor crosswalk.

Ok this is what I’m remembering. Some sort of work around. Not that the hotel guests would have to walk all the way around.

 

[BrianLo]

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

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You’ve convinced me, I can see the pink path and then the wall becomes quite high when it passes over the road. Obscuring the path. Probably the same style elevator stairwell on the harbour road side out of frame.

 

[mickEblu]

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

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Yeah he’s right. Dammit he did it again. I was so focused on the portion of the bridge over Harbor that I didn’t notice the bridge wasn’t at ground level there and the guests coming in from Harbor were going under it . The white line circled below in blue is the wall separating the unsecured guests from the secured guests and I guess we can assume that very same wall is running along the entire bridge.

@Disney Analyst you need to change your name to Concept Art Analyst

 

[Disney Analyst]

Well @Disney Analyst you did nail it with the new Magnolia Park haha. So I’m thinking you might be on to something but all I see is a low planter between the two lanes on the bridge. If we re taking the concept art at face value and what they said in the article that wouldn’t work. Now where you ended your red and purple line their does appear that their might be some sort of plexiglass wall.

Yeah I don’t think the current concept art really shows it well, or accurately. But I do believe it’s what’s happening. A smaller walkway along the one side for everyone to use, and the larger one for guests who have already been screened, going right into the esplanade.

And then a very purposeful new security area for harbour guests. It looks a lot more organized to me.

 

[Disney Analyst]

Yeah he’s right. Dammit he did it again. I was so focused on the portion of the bridge over Harbor that I didn’t notice the bridge wasn’t at ground level there and the guests coming in from Harbor were going under it . The white line circled below in blue is the wall separating the unsecured guests from the secured guests and I guess we can assume that very same wall is running along the entire bridge.

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@Disney Analyst you need to change your name to Concept Art Analyst

You’re almost right. The white wall you circled is actually still the separated bridge deck coming to ground level, with just the guests going back to the parking structure, or coming into the esplanade.

The people behind it are all the people who have been processed through harbor security or are leaving.

 

[mickEblu]

You’re almost right. The white wall you circled is actually still the separated bridge deck coming to ground level, with just the guests going back to the parking structure, or coming into the esplanade.

The people behind it are all the people who have been processed through harbor security or are leaving.

Ok screw this I’m done. lol

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, that's a comparatively long walk. But as I recall, Disney offered access to that North/South main walkway to all of those hotel/motels. Many of which would have easy access from their parking lots. Others I would think could negotiate access from their neighbors. If (as they were proposing) everyone would need to pass through what is labeled on the drawing as "SECURITY GATEWAY", some of those back rooms could have been advertised as the closest walks to the parks, all while avoiding that Harbor crosswalk.

They offered it after the fact, it was their "workaround" to try to get buy-in after the initial backlash.

But originally as presented it was all would have to walk around.

 

[Disney Irish]

Here's what I see:

Harbor guests will be able to walk along the purple line to get across the bridge, it's loosely shown on the concept art, even has a shadow of a person in one spot.

Guests who were screened at the new transportation area follow the red line, and enter the esplanade bypassing the new security setup for harbor guests.

Harbor guests follow the green, and go to the new quite large security area, you can even see line up systems setup with planters.

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I see what you're saying and agree with most of it. I'm not 100% convinced with the purple line, but its as good as a read as anyone else so could be right.

 

[mickEblu]

You’re almost right. The white wall you circled is actually still the separated bridge deck coming to ground level, with just the guests going back to the parking structure, or coming into the esplanade.

The people behind it are all the people who have been processed through harbor security or are leaving.

Ok I think I see what's happening now. if you follow that bridge deck that I called a wall it goes all the way up the bridge but it appears that at the elevator bank/ stairs is where it makes its way towards the middle of the bridge becoming the wall between the two lanes. The diving wall starts on the east side of the elevator/ stairs from Harbor. Not sure if im right or not but it's much easier looking at this image on a laptop. Ive been looking at on my cell phone all day.

 

[Disney Irish]

Ok I think I see what's happening now. if you follow that bridge deck that I called a wall it goes all the way up the bridge but it appears that at the elevator bank/ stairs is where it makes its way towards the middle of the bridge becoming the wall between the two lanes. The diving wall starts on the east side of the elevator/ stairs from Harbor. Not sure if im right or not but it's much easier looking at this image on a laptop. Ive been looking at on my cell phone all day.

For reference here is the entire concept art -

If what @Disney Analyst says is correct, (I've zoomed in on the bridge over the street) this is the path in red with the divider/wall as I marked with a blue arrow, so everything above that divider with the trees and such is "screened" guest access and everything where the red line is would be public access -

 

[mickEblu]

For reference here is the entire concept art -

If what @Disney Analyst says is correct, (I've zoomed in on the bridge over the street) this is the path in red with the divider/wall as I marked with a blue arrow, so everything above that divider with the trees and such is "screened" guest access and everything where the red line is would be public access -

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Right and it appears that the diving wall begins right around the elevator bank/ stairs no?

 

[Disney Irish]

Right and it appears that the diving wall begins right around the elevator bank/ stairs no?

Sort of, there is a gap -

Now maybe that is just artistic license, but its why I originally thought it was more a outside glass like wall for decoration/barrier to the street rather than a "divider wall" since it doesn't continue.

 

[mickEblu]

Sort of, there is a gap -

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Now maybe that is just artistic license, but its why I originally thought was more a outside glass like wall for decoration/barrier to the street rather than a "divider wall" since it doesn't continue.

Obviously you’d have to have a security guard or two permanently stationed there right? Unless that barrier comes from the structure/ stairs and doesn’t actually start where it appears in the art. No matter what this wall would need to be around 10 feet tall and that’s not what im getting in this concept art.