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[chadwpalm]

Only if you ignore this part of the sentence "transportation hub". So the assumption that the parking structure and a full transportation hub will be in the same space and not two separate spaces as originally planned cannot be made.

Why not? I mean, a large portion of the first level of Pixar Pals is dedicated to security and tram loading and its ceiling height could accommodate buses, so I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that the lower level of the garage could be the transportation hub.

Setting that aside for a moment and getting back to security.....

Maybe it will and maybe it won't. However its hard to have a dedicated security screening and "secure lane" just for park guests if you're also allowing public access to the bridge that allows back and forth access to the both sides of Harbor. It would then have to be a huge bridge to allow that type of back and forth traffic AND a guest only secure lane.

Maybe it won't? So you're implying that the Senior Manager of Public Relations at the Disneyland Resort is.....wrong? Misinformed? Or will you play your favorite card up your sleeve called "Things can change"?

So we all somewhat assume there will be bridge access on the eastern side of Harbor and we don't know what that will look like. Thinking outside the box here, but it could be possible that a portion of the bridge is only for "crossing the street"...much like the street crossings are like here in Vegas.

We see in the concept art this structure which has stairs and elevator from ground level up to the bridge:

I had to hand draw this because it's quicker than doing on computer:

So in this concept the northern part of the bridge is screened pedestrians coming from the eastern gateway area, and the southern part is a dedicated pedestrian street crossing of some sort with elevators and a ramp on the east side.

The bridge portion with already screened people bypasses the Harbor security and dumps into the esplanade, kind of like the Toy Story buses currently do.

And for the record, it is a pretty decently wide space they have to work with for the bridge.

 

[Disney Irish]

Because that would take up space that otherwise could be used to expand the parks, the entire point of this project is to reclaim that Harbor entry bus depot and security station to expand DCA.

So how do you allow foot traffic from Harbor access to security then? Make them cross the bridge? Not likely.

So there will be at least some type of security screening on the Harbor side after the bridge. The only question is will it be for all guests or only foot traffic coming in from Harbor.

 

[Touchdown]

So how do you allow foot traffic from Harbor access to security then? Make them cross the bridge? Not likely.

So there will be at least some type of security screening on the Harbor side after the bridge. The only question is will it be for all guests or only foot traffic coming in from Harbor.

Or Disney is gaslighting those businesses and does exactly what they promised (allow public access to that bridge) but still force all those Harbor guests to head back to Pumba.

 

[chadwpalm]

So there will be at least some type of security screening on the Harbor side after the bridge. The only question is will it be for all guests or only foot traffic coming in from Harbor.

Yeah, probably only for foot traffic for people already on the west side of Harbor. You were probably writing this response before seeing my post above, but to expand on my crude drawing:

Foot traffic off the public portion of the bridge and west side of Harbor go through security there, and the people who came across the bridge from EGW bypass it because they got screened there.

 

[mickEblu]

So looking at the concept art more closely that pink wall I always took as being placed there to deter people from throwing things over the bridge onto the cars on Harbor below. But if that’s the case then why isn’t there one on the near side of the bridge? Artistic liberty? The fact that you wouldn’t be able to see people walking over the bridge in the concept art? Or is that pink wall what’s separating the two lanes on the bridge? Maybe that’s why it’s pink? As a huge 10 foot + wall departing two lanes on a bridge isn’t the most welcoming or aesthetically pleasing sight. But then why does it look like it’s in the far side of the bridge and not in the middle and wouldn’t it need to go all the way down the bridge? I feel like it would have to be a very wide bridge to support two lanes of traffic.

This is fascinating. lol

 

[chadwpalm]

This is fascinating. lol

Yeah, at this point we are all just spitballing based on an artist's rendition of the entry, old information from the past, and a semantically ambiguous blog post.

 

[BrianLo]

Street access will still be available for those on that side of the street, but the Harbor crosswalk is suppose to be going away so those on the hotel/business side of the street will cross using the bridge.

Security will be after the bridge, as shown in this concept art -

I might be misreading things, but I think there will be two securities. One for harbour pedestrians and the other at the start of the bridge by the parkade.

The new art has the bridge ramping down into a post security area.

 

[Disney Irish]

Why not? I mean, a large portion of the first level of Pixar Pals is dedicated to security and tram loading and its ceiling height could accommodate buses, so I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that the lower level of the garage could be the transportation hub.

Maybe, but then why leave Pumbaa untouched? Or are you implying that Pumbaa will be used too?

Setting that aside for a moment and getting back to security.....

Maybe it won't? So you're implying that the Senior Manager of Public Relations at the Disneyland Resort is.....wrong? Misinformed? Or will you play your favorite card up your sleeve called "Things can change"?

So we all somewhat assume there will be bridge access on the eastern side of Harbor and we don't know what that will look like. Thinking outside the box here, but it could be possible that a portion of the bridge is only for "crossing the street"...much like the street crossings are like here in Vegas.

We see in the concept art this structure which has stairs and elevator from ground level up to the bridge:

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I had to hand draw this because it's quicker than doing on computer:

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So in this concept the northern part of the bridge is screened pedestrians coming from the eastern gateway area, and the southern part is a dedicated pedestrian street crossing of some sort with elevators and a ramp on the east side.

The bridge portion with already screened people bypasses the Harbor security and dumps into the esplanade, kind of like the Toy Story buses currently do.

First I'm not saying anyone is lying, what I'm saying that people are making a lot of assumptions based on a single line from a blog post that is rather ambiguous.

And now maybe it will be just like how you said. However again this is Disney, and we know that Disney is cheap. So its easier and cheaper from all sides to just have security screening after the bridge. As that was what was discussed at one point during all the planning meetings with Anaheim as I recall. This was discussed in the EGW back during those meetings.

And for the record, it is a pretty decently wide space they have to work with for the bridge.

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Does that seem wide enough to have both the secure area AND the public access ending point that you're implying will happen? Because that doesn't seem like a lot of space to have both, and this was what was discussed in the EGW thread at the time as its not enough space for both.

 

[mickEblu]

I might be misreading things, but I think there will be two securities. One for harbour pedestrians and the other at the start of the bridge by the parkade.

The new art has the bridge ramping down into a post security area.

I think there will be two security areas as well. One for people on the West side of Harbor located at or near the current security screening and one on east side of Harbor for people arriving at the new parking structure or those staying at hotels on the East side of Harbor.

I just can’t make sense of the bridge without a huge wall separating it into two lanes.

 

[Disney Irish]

Or Disney is gaslighting those businesses and does exactly what they promised (allow public access to that bridge) but still force all those Harbor guests to head back to Pumba.

I only see a few problems with that, namely that it would royally upset the City just after the relationship was repaired.

 

[Disney Irish]

I might be misreading things, but I think there will be two securities. One for harbour pedestrians and the other at the start of the bridge by the parkade.

The new art has the bridge ramping down into a post security area.

Could be. Seems like overkill to me, and extra expense for Disney in a time when we already know they are cutting things. But maybe that is how it will be.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah, probably only for foot traffic for people already on the west side of Harbor. You were probably writing this response before seeing my post above, but to expand on my crude drawing:

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Foot traffic off the public portion of the bridge and west side of Harbor go through security there, and the people who came across the bridge from EGW bypass it because they got screened there.

Just seems like if you're already having public access security screening, which includes any public using the bridge, on the Harbor side why not have all bridge traffic use that same screening.

I just don't see a benefit it isolate the two sets of people on the bridge.

 

[BrianLo]

I just can’t make sense of the bridge without a huge wall separating it into two lanes.

Why does anyone need to be on the bridge unsecured? As long as you provides one way exits on either side. Sort of what the elevator tower seems to be doing. But I’m less sure how that aspect works.

Could be. Seems like overkill to me, and extra expense for Disney in a time when we already know they are cutting things. But maybe that is how it will be.

I think they need the space that the parking esplanade provides to handle all those added day guests. As is there’s frequently too many people funneling in, in the morning. This splits it into two.

 

[Disney Irish]

I think security should take place before people get on the bridge. Just from a security pov. The bridge should be a safe space completely.

That is what Disney originally wanted. But all the Harbor businesses screamed because they felt it would eliminate foot traffic as there would be no reason for them to walk by if they had to go through security before crossing the bridge.

So putting security before the bridge would basically bring back the same issue again.

 

[Disney Irish]

Why does anyone need to be on the bridge unsecured? As long as you provides one way exits on either side. Sort of what the elevator tower seems to be doing. But I’m less sure how that aspect works.

I present the whole argument all the Harbor businesses brought up originally, if you don't allow unsecured public access to the bridge it eliminates all reason for any foot traffic. Basically its what stopped the EGW originally.

Its why they came up with this new plan which was to allow public access to the bridge.

I think they need the space that the parking esplanade provides to handle all those added day guests. As is there’s frequently too many people funneling in, in the morning. This splits it into two.

Do they? Again it seems like an extra expense for little benefit, ie only in the morning. So now you have to have CMs in two locations from open to close instead of one when one does the job just fine.

 

[Disney Analyst]

I thought we already discussed this to death?

The bridge will have pedestrian access, not mixed with the already screened guests from the new transportation hub/parking structure.

There is a security area clearly shown in the art for guests entering from harbor.

The end.

 

[mickEblu]

I present the whole argument all the Harbor businesses brought up originally, if you don't allow unsecured public access to the bridge it eliminates all reason for any foot traffic. Basically its what stopped the EGW originally.

Its why they came up with this new plan which was to allow public access to the bridge.

I never understood their argument. Let’s say you are staying at one of those hotels on harbor. You had to walk to the intersection to cross the street to get to DL whether there is a crosswalk or a bridge there. How does the bridge change the guests behavior? You are going to walk past the same businesses you would have. Even if you were forced to head back towards Pumba to get back toward Harbor. It’s more inconvenient for the guests but how are the businesses seeing less foot traffic? What am I missing?

 

[chadwpalm]

Could be. Seems like overkill to me, and extra expense for Disney in a time when we already know they are cutting things. But maybe that is how it will be.

You think adding security to the new EGW area would be overkill? There are currently 8 security checkpoints going into the Disney bubble (at varying degree of size), but a 9th is overkill? At some point the Toy Story lot will become something else and the number will be back down to 8. Where was the overkill and added expense opinion when DTD added a new screening area on the southwest side while still keeping the DLH one open on the northwest side? It was never needed before, but an expense choice to split the load.

Just seems like if you're already having public access security screening, which includes any public using the bridge, on the Harbor side why not have all bridge traffic use that same screening.

I just don't see a benefit it isolate the two sets of people on the bridge.

Why not have all the Toy Story parking people currently use the Harbor screening?

I can't imagine the new Harbor screening area being that much bigger (if at all) than the current Harbor screening. Have you seen the security lines on Harbor in the morning? Toy Story has the benefit of loading one bus-load of people at a time spreading out the flow of people. The parking structure of 6000 spots won't have that luxury at the EGW. I don't care how big they plan to make the new Harbor screening area, it just won't handle all Harbor hotel guests and the influx of people parking at the EGW without there being 2-hour plus lines waiting for their bag check.

When I stayed at the Clarion on my last trip I specifically used the Toy Story shuttle to go in because it has a shorter wait time on security, and when I got off the bus at the transportation hub and saw the huge line at security that I walked right past, I knew I made the right decision.

The biggest argument for there being two security checkpoints.....one at EGW parking and one on Harbor.....is to split the load and reduce bag check wait time.

 

[chadwpalm]

I never understood their argument. Let’s say you are staying at one of those hotels on harbor. You had to walk to the intersection to cross the street to get to DL whether there is a crosswalk or a bridge there. How does the bridge change the guests behavior? You are going to walk past the same businesses you would have. Even if you were forced to head back towards Pumba to get back toward Harbor. It’s more inconvenient for the guests but how are the businesses seeing less foot traffic? What am I missing?

To me it was always more about the hotels on Harbor losing their cash cow of being directly across the street from the Disneyland entrance and people choosing to stay at a hotel somewhere between Disney Way and Katella because they'd now be closer to the pedestrian entrance to the gateway.

 

[Disney Irish]

I never understood their argument. Let’s say you are staying at one of those hotels on harbor. You had to walk to the intersection to cross the street to get to DL whether there is a crosswalk or a bridge there. How does the bridge change the guests behavior? You are going to walk past the same businesses you would have. Even if you were forced to head back towards Pumba to get back toward Harbor. It’s more inconvenient for the guests but how are the businesses seeing less foot traffic? What am I missing?

The idea is not just for guests who stay on Harbor, but also those that would be staying around the resort that would normally walk past those Harbor businesses to cross the street to Disneyland. By having them go directly to the security screening/bridge if not accessible from Harbor there is no incentive for guests to access any of those businesses.

Basically you'd have almost no foot traffic other than those who are staying at the hotels themselves.