Marvel Studios’ Thunderbolts*

[LSLS]

You can't compare The Avengers to The Thunderbolts. What's next The Marvels???

Who compared them? The quote responded to was that the ability for characters to come back even after they are dead is part of the reason Marvel is struggling. Point we are making is the ability to come back from the dead didn't negatively impact before. And those movies also had tons of clues they would be back and weren't dead. I could list a handful of major issues with these past couple phases, but dead characters coming back is not one of them.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Looks like the trades have Thunderbolts* projected to open with $70-$75M in its opening weekend, with potential for a higher debut, if reviews turn out strong.

Not bad for a Marvel movie people say they didn’t ask for, but it’s one they deserve.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The biggest movie of the franchise, the second highest grossing movie of all time, is the one where they bring a bunch of people back…

The one where they got rid of the core characters?

That’s gone well since…

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Looks like the trades have Thunderbolts* projected to open with $70-$75M in its opening weekend, with potential for a higher debut, if reviews turn out strong.

Not bad for a Marvel movie people say they didn’t ask for, but it’s one they deserve.

That’s a flop…

What did Minecraft make? Or capt 4?…which did flop?

Math is not going well for you

 

[Disney Irish]

That’s a flop…

What did Minecraft make? Or capt 4?…which did flop?

Math is not going well for you

The range I've see is $70M-$90M.

Its soft, but I wouldn't call it a flop outright. If the WoM is good I think it'll do ok, maybe not huge, but decent.

If it ends up flopping yeah I have no problem calling it a flop, as I have done with many recent films. But I just don't want to preemptively call this one a flop just because its predicted to open soft.

 

[Disney Irish]

You figure they would have put Red Hulk in this one. It certainly makes much more sense. Since he is THUNDERBOLT Ross.

There is a reason why there is an * at the end of the title, it looks like it'll be a running joke in the movie on what they should call themselves. And its because that isn't going to be there official name by the end of the movie.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The range I've see is $70M-$90M.

Its soft, but I wouldn't call it a flop outright. If the WoM is good I think it'll do ok, maybe not huge, but decent.

If it ends up flopping yeah I have no problem calling it a flop, as I have done with many recent films. But I just don't want to preemptively call this one a flop just because its predicted to open soft.

We’ve been looking at these numbers for along time m

A $90 mil domestic gross opening will drop to $50 at the most after week 2…

So that’s done.

The problem - more than anything - is the stigma around the Disney studios is not giving them any BOD…

I’m gonna unsubscribe from this thread now…no need to hammer the same hunches again and again…but this is not good news.

What if inside out 2 didn’t do so well? I think that was a lot of reason Moana brought in a large haul

“We’re back, baby!!!”

No…in fact it does not appear. Gonna be interesting to watch how the year unfolds…going into 47 sequels next year

 

[Disney Irish]

We’ve been looking at these numbers for along time m

A $90 mil domestic gross opening will drop to $50 at the most after week 2…

So that’s done.

The problem - more than anything - is the stigma around the Disney studios is not giving them any BODY…

I’m gonna unsubscribe from this thread now…no need to hammer the same hunches again and again…but this is not good news.

What if inside out 2 didn’t do so well? I think that was a lot of reason Moana brought in a large haul

“We’re back, baby!!!”

No…in fact it does not appear. Gonna be interesting to watch how the year unfolds…going into 47 sequels next year

And I'm not saying that won't happen, I'm just saying I'm not going to write the obit 3 weeks before it opens. We've seen how soft and even dismal openings have come back and surprised everyone at the box office.

Tracking is also not 100% reliable, 3 weeks out Minecraft was predicted to open in the $60-$80M range, it obviously blew right past that and came in double the high end of that range. So again another reason why I'm not ready to write the obit on this or any other movie that is predicted to open soft no matter what the studio production logo is at the beginning of the movie.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

That’s a flop…

What did Minecraft make? Or capt 4?…which did flop?

Math is not going well for you

Not when you take into account that this movie cost less than Cap 4 and is allegedly the same cost as Minecraft ($150M).

And depending on how it’s received and how audiences receive it here in the U.S. and globally, it’ll probably be a modest hit with $450-$500M WW on a $150M budget. Not a huge hit, but a hit nonetheless, and NOT a failure.

So, yes, math is going well for me, actually.

So, stop.

Really, stop.

Like stop.

It’s time to STOP.

It’s time to stop with this crap of hating certain Disney movies for certain reasons that have to do with selfishness, hate for directors of certain ethnicities/races and sexes, etc.

IT’S TIME TO STOP.

 

[Disney Irish]

So, shut up and get lost.

As much as I appreciate your passion for these movies this isn't needed. We should be respectful to all our fellow posters no matter how much we may disagree with them. And if they go negative don't go down to their level, be better. I'm trying to be better myself on this as well.

 

[DKampy]

we are really calling things early….the projections for Thunderbolts is on an upward trajectory…. Last week the projections were 65-75… which is what happen with Minecraft…. I don’t think it will open as high with all the meme madness though

Plus people have way too high expectations these days…. It is like every film has to reach a billion…. These opening numbers are about what I expected. for a first in a franchise within the MCU

 

[BrianLo]

I see Walter has moved on from the 21 day death march to even more pre-emptive calls. Except the pulse on this movie is that people are actually intrigued this time.

Cap 4 wasn’t a flop, it was a disappointment, but I know nuance is not a strong suit. Snow was on the other hand.

 

[vikescaper]

For this one, Disney has gone with a director most known for Music Videos. Maybe Marvel should get someone who knows what they are doing. They cast these unqualified directors so Marvel can have complete control of a movie's production.

.... and also to have someone to blame afterwards when it fails.

I mean, the Russos were best known for comedies when they were selected to direct Captain America: The Winter Soldier and we all know how that movie turned out. Beef was excellent, and based on that, has me excited for the movie.

 

[vikescaper]

How many times has Marvel hired a big name director for a movie? It’s never been an issues until now.

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

For this one, Disney has gone with a director mostly known for Music Videos. Maybe Marvel should get someone who knows what they are doing. They cast these unqualified directors so Marvel can have complete control of a movie's production.

.... and also to have someone to blame afterwards when it fails.

You mean IF it fails, which it won’t because it will be a really good movie unlike Cap 4.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not when you take into account that this movie cost less than Cap 4 and is allegedly the same cost as Minecraft ($150M).

And depending on how it’s received and how audiences receive it here in the U.S. and globally, it’ll probably be a modest hit with $450-$500M WW on a $150M budget. Not a huge hit, but a hit nonetheless, and NOT a failure.

So, yes, math is going well for me, actually.

So, stop.

Really, stop.

Like stop.

It’s time to STOP.

It’s time to stop with this crap of hating certain Disney movies for certain reasons that have to do with selfishness, hate for directors of certain ethnicities/races and sexes, etc.

IT’S TIME TO STOP.

So what did cap 4 cost?

And STOP with the fast growing trend of people punching above their weight class…

Translation: wisdom requires time. And you don’t have enough under your belt. Keep plugging at it

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

So what did cap 4 cost?

And STOP with the fast growing trend of people punching above their weight class…

Translation: wisdom requires time. And you don’t have enough under your belt. Keep plugging at it

Cap 4 cost $180M, and it’s gonna fall $10M short of breaking even at $425M.

Also, I have more wisdom to make myself more confident in my predictions than you ever will.

So don’t tell me what to do.

 

[Tha Realest]

And I'm not saying that won't happen, I'm just saying I'm not going to write the obit 3 weeks before it opens. We've seen how soft and even dismal openings have come back and surprised everyone at the box office.

Tracking is also not 100% reliable, 3 weeks out Minecraft was predicted to open in the $60-$80M range, it obviously blew right past that and came in double the high end of that range. So again another reason why I'm not ready to write the obit on this or any other movie that is predicted to open soft no matter what the studio production logo is at the beginning of the movie.

You’re never ready to write an obit on any movie, but then complain people are “beating a dead horse” once the flop numbers are obvious to all and encourage them to move on.

 

[Tha Realest]

Also, I have more wisdom to make myself more confident in my predictions than you ever will.

So don’t tell me what to do.

Say, how’s the hand drawn Tiana theatrical release for 2027 coming along?

 

[DisneyWarrior27]

Say, how’s the hand drawn Tiana theatrical release for 2027 coming along?

Don’t you say that name in front of my face again.

The series may be cancelled, but at least a likely 20-minute short form Tiana special is in early development for Disney+ now, a special that might be hand-drawn animated if they chose to cancel Tiana’s series because the Paperman-style of animation for the series was the wrong way to go and they couldn’t change its style due to making it even more expensive that ratings wouldn’t save it.

Also, I was hoping for a 2029 release, not 2027 release.

Get your brain checked and your facts straight, dude.