Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[Minnesota disney fan]

I’m a child of the twentieth century. I will never enjoy computer animation as much as the hand-drawn variety.

I've gone to Disneyworld when they had the imagineers in HS actually working on the next movie. We got to see them at work on "The Lion King" before it was released. I thought it was amazing how wonderful that looked, and also the fact that we got to see them at work. I think Disney is really missing that hand drawn effect on their new movies. Anyone can push a button to make the new effects, but nothing replaces hand drawn, IMO!

 

[LittleBuford]

I've gone to Disneyworld when they had the imagineers in HS actually working on the next movie. We got to see them at work on "The Lion King" before it was released. I thought it was amazing how wonderful that looked, and also the fact that we got to see them at work. I think Disney is really missing that hand drawn effect on their new movies. Anyone can push a button to make the new effects, but nothing replaces hand drawn, IMO!

I don't agree with the bolded—good computer animation takes a lot of skill—but I share your overall sentiments!

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

I don't agree with the bolded—good computer animation takes a lot of skill—but I share your overall sentiments!

Yeah, maybe that was a little harsh, but trying to make a point I guess

 

[Indy_UK]

Current prediction is a 68% drop for Snow White in its second weekend (worse than Dumbo), with $13.7 million total

Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Putting ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sending Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Box Office Update

Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'

deadline.com

And you know what. Disney STILL won't learn from this.

 

[Indy_UK]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

I would love that but do younger viewers also want it to come back? I Feel its older people like me who grew up with them the only ones asking for them.

 

[Farerb]

And you know what. Disney STILL won't learn from this.

Of course they won't. They are already working on Maleficent 3

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

I would love that but are younger viewers also want it to come back? I Feel its older people like me who grew up with them the only ones asking for them.

I agree. This newer generation was raised on technology. There's nothing wrong with that.
I just realized that my generation is the last one to be raised without technology. Wow!

 

[BrianLo]

3D artists are still artists. There’s a lot of similar hard work that goes into these films. Just because the end medium is different (a screen versus paper), doesn’t mean the artistry has disappeared.

Now that said, this is an artistic styling that hasn’t really overtaken the Asian markets and as we swing back to another downswing of the Americas pop culture influence, I could see there becoming more and more Asian market influence that eventually impacts American artistry in some ways.

Written another way, anime is increasingly penetrating North America that probably our more Gen X skewing membership here wouldn’t really be in tune with. A lot of you wouldn’t have even been young enough to have experienced the first wave in your childhood.

The hybridized looks are even making a comeback with the Saturday morning cartoon vibes of things like Xmen 97 for the North American markets.

 

[Indy_UK]

Of course they won't. They are already working on Maleficent 3

Disney will always have my heart but really really do deserve the hard time they are getting. They don't know their markets anymore. They are void of any originality and just don't seem to care anymore.

 

[DKampy]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

I would like both to exist…. There is an undeniable need for more hand drawn…. I believe there is also an undeniable charm in some of the better Pixar films. For example

 

[TalkingHead]

They are already working on Maleficent

Iger is turbo charging the 2000s Eisner playbook. Brutal stuff.

 

[LittleBuford]

I would love that but do younger viewers also want it to come back?

I suppose one would have to ask them to find out! I see no reason why they would object. After all, many children happily watch old hand-drawn cartoons today.

 

[LittleBuford]

I would like both to exist…. There is an undeniable need for more hand drawn…. I believe there is also an undeniable charm in some of the better Pixar films. For example

I didn't mean to suggest we should get rid of computer animation, and I apologise if that's how it came across! I would like both artforms to coexist.

 

[LittleBuford]

They don't know their markets anymore. They are void of any originality and just don't seem to care anymore.

As long as people keep giving them a billion dollars for these remakes, tie-ins, and sequels (and it looks like Stitch may be the big next earner), it seems they do know their market. Cinema-goers bear at least part of the responsibility.

 

[Disney Irish]

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Lets break it down.

"I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted"

Meaning I framed it as half the people not actual voters. So that's the information that's being referenced.

"when its really less than a quarter."

Now your first part was infact referencing all people. And the 2nd part is part of the same sentence and thought. So if it's not half of the people, it's less than a quarter. That leaves 75%+ the other direction.

So yes I reread what you said. And it's exactly what it says. Now did you actually screw up the wording, or was it intentionally written that way to discredit my post? That's the question.

You are purposely leaving off the rest of the post intentionally so you can get mad because you want to take the second part out of context and make it about something else.

Here is the post -

And just for context, that 50/50 only represents less than 40% of the actual country. So whomever cares about this, as valid as their feelings might be, is only reflected in about 20ish% of the country, not the entire or even half the country.

I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted when its really less than a quarter.

I didn't realize I needed to break it down further but here goes.

The 50/50 being talked about here is the voting block, which represents only ~150M total people who voted in the last election not the ~340ish M total people that live in the country, which is only about ~40ish % of the population that voted. Of that ~150M that voted, 50% voted for one candidate and 50% voted for the other candidate. Meaning that its only 20-25% of the entire ~340M people is who voted for the current occupant of the Oval Office. So that is not 50% of the country, its only 50% of a voting block.

So clearly the second paragraph is talking about how Zelger's post is being framed by many (I did not target you specifically because many here try to say the same thing) as her insulting half the country, when in fact her post is only about those that voted for a certain candidate which represents only 20-25% of the entire population.

No where did I claim anything about the other 75% of the population. You're trying to infer your own meaning into my post that clearly wasn't there.

 

[Chi84]

You are purposely leaving off the rest of the post intentionally so you can get mad because you want to take the second part out of context and make it about something else.

Here is the post -


I didn't realize I needed to break it down further but here goes.

The 50/50 being talked about here is the voting block, which represents only ~150M total people who voted in the last election not the ~340ish M total people that live in the country, which is only about ~40ish % of the population that voted. Of that ~150M that voted, 50% voted for one candidate and 50% voted for the other candidate. Meaning that its only 20-25% of the entire ~340M people is who voted for the current occupant of the Oval Office. So that is not 50% of the country, its only 50% of a voting block.

So clearly the second paragraph is talking about how Zelger's post is being framed by many (I did not target you specifically because many here try to say the same thing) as her insulting half the country, when in fact her post is only about those that voted for a certain candidate which represents only 20-25% of the entire population.

No where did I claim anything about the other 75% of the population. You're trying to infer your own meaning into my post that clearly wasn't there.

If you go any deeper into this giant hole in logic don’t expect anyone to rescue you.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That’s not true. At all.

…is this a confessional?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

If you go any deeper into this giant hole in logic don’t expect anyone to rescue you.

That’s ironic support for the king of the moving goal posts

 

[LittleBuford]

…is this a confessional?

If it is, God help us all! I'm curious to know what everyone's penance would be.

 

[Chi84]

That’s ironic support for the king of the moving goal posts

Goalpost moving is easy. Trying to untangle the unique blend of false assumptions and dichotomous thinking in the post he was responding to could result in permanent damage.