Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[LittleBuford]

Bob Iger will never do that.

I’m not expecting it to happen soon, if ever. But stranger revivals have occurred.

 

[Chi84]

But stranger revivals have occurred.

Truer words . . .

 

[Agent H]

I’m a child of the twentieth century. I will never enjoy computer animation as much as the hand-drawn variety.

Fair enough. Personally I don’t feel strongly one way or the other. There’s bad 2d animation and there’s bad 3d animation. Both excell in their own ways.

 

[Farerb]

Fair enough. Personally I don’t feel strongly one way or the other. There’s bad 2d animation and there’s bad 3d animation. Both excell in their own ways.

I haven't enjoyed any of Disney's CGI films except Tangled and Moana and I only like 6 Pixar movies.

 

[WorldExplorer]

"Walt's vision" for these characters was for them to be designed as cartoons. They cannot simply be directly adapted into "live action." Things that are expressive, or endearing, or comical in a cartoon are weird and off putting in a realistic setting. Taking cartoon characters like the dwarves, with cartoon anatomy and proportions.... and then sticking on realistic human skin, hair, and clothes is ugly and disturbing. No clue how the people making these films greenlight this stuff with their eyes open.

Realistic dwarfs is just as stupid as trying to make a realistic CGI llama for an Emperor's New Groove remake.

(Not to imply that any kind of ENG remake would be smart...or any kind of Snow White remake, for that matter...)

Realitically speaking, actual people for the dwarfs is also not a good option, because they're not going to capture the charm of them either; that charm was inherently tied to their cartoonish-ness. It's just the least dumb option that makes the most sense with the "live action remake" premise; the result would be "okay-ish" rather than "WHAT THE HELL IS THAT!?".

The best idea was just to not make it, but Disney really wanted that money.

Current prediction is a 68% drop for Snow White in its second weekend (worse than Dumbo), with $13.7 million total

Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Puts ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sends Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Sunday Box Office Update

Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'

deadline.com

Glad that worked out for them.

 

[LittleBuford]

Fair enough. Personally I don’t feel strongly one way or the other. There’s bad 2d animation and there’s bad 3d animation. Both excell in their own ways.

I would say there is no bad Disney 2D animation. Even when the storytelling was weak, the artistry was always excellent.

 

[TalkingHead]

There might be some contractual reason with movie theaters why they can't put it on Disney+ too soon, but I doubt they'll wait 3-4 months.

Have to suspect that’s why it didn’t get sent directly to streaming in the first place.

 

[BrianLo]

That’s good? But I don’t think TWDC is interested in sorta breaking even while tying up 300m over 3-5 years.

You’ll note nowhere I implied it was good. Hence why we struggle having nuanced conversations here sometimes.

My qualifier was and has always been in this range “disappointing”.

Not a defense, but movies have their own subsidiaries during production for a reason. Capital isn’t tied up in these projects until release.

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

Uh….. no.

LOL, that's what I thought, but worth asking on this site. Why would they if they can make some more money on it? Oh well, so much for the internet for true information

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

I’m a child of the twentieth century. I will never enjoy computer animation as much as the hand-drawn variety.

I've gone to Disneyworld when they had the imagineers in HS actually working on the next movie. We got to see them at work on "The Lion King" before it was released. I thought it was amazing how wonderful that looked, and also the fact that we got to see them at work. I think Disney is really missing that hand drawn effect on their new movies. Anyone can push a button to make the new effects, but nothing replaces hand drawn, IMO!

 

[LittleBuford]

I've gone to Disneyworld when they had the imagineers in HS actually working on the next movie. We got to see them at work on "The Lion King" before it was released. I thought it was amazing how wonderful that looked, and also the fact that we got to see them at work. I think Disney is really missing that hand drawn effect on their new movies. Anyone can push a button to make the new effects, but nothing replaces hand drawn, IMO!

I don't agree with the bolded—good computer animation takes a lot of skill—but I share your overall sentiments!

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

I don't agree with the bolded—good computer animation takes a lot of skill—but I share your overall sentiments!

Yeah, maybe that was a little harsh, but trying to make a point I guess

 

[Indy_UK]

Current prediction is a 68% drop for Snow White in its second weekend (worse than Dumbo), with $13.7 million total

Jason Statham’s ‘Working Man’ With $15M+ Opening Puts ‘Snow White’ To Sleep & Sends Jenna Ortega’s ‘Unicorn’ Out To Pasture – Sunday Box Office Update

Jason Statham's 'A Working Man' leading the weekend box office with $15M+ ahead of Jenna Ortega's 'Death of a Unicorn' and 'Snow White'

deadline.com

And you know what. Disney STILL won't learn from this.

 

[Indy_UK]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

I would love that but do younger viewers also want it to come back? I Feel its older people like me who grew up with them the only ones asking for them.

 

[Farerb]

And you know what. Disney STILL won't learn from this.

Of course they won't. They are already working on Maleficent 3

 

[Minnesota disney fan]

I would love that but are younger viewers also want it to come back? I Feel its older people like me who grew up with them the only ones asking for them.

I agree. This newer generation was raised on technology. There's nothing wrong with that.
I just realized that my generation is the last one to be raised without technology. Wow!

 

[BrianLo]

3D artists are still artists. There’s a lot of similar hard work that goes into these films. Just because the end medium is different (a screen versus paper), doesn’t mean the artistry has disappeared.

Now that said, this is an artistic styling that hasn’t really overtaken the Asian markets and as we swing back to another downswing of the Americas pop culture influence, I could see there becoming more and more Asian market influence that eventually impacts American artistry in some ways.

Written another way, anime is increasingly penetrating North America that probably our more Gen X skewing membership here wouldn’t really be in tune with. A lot of you wouldn’t have even been young enough to have experienced the first wave in your childhood.

The hybridized looks are even making a comeback with the Saturday morning cartoon vibes of things like Xmen 97 for the North American markets.

 

[Indy_UK]

Of course they won't. They are already working on Maleficent 3

Disney will always have my heart but really really do deserve the hard time they are getting. They don't know their markets anymore. They are void of any originality and just don't seem to care anymore.

 

[DKampy]

BRING BACK HAND-DRAWN ANIMATION!

Seriously, it’s so much more charming than computer animation (which I know wasn’t the point of your post, but I hope you’ll forgive me).

I would like both to exist…. There is an undeniable need for more hand drawn…. I believe there is also an undeniable charm in some of the better Pixar films. For example

 

[TalkingHead]

They are already working on Maleficent

Iger is turbo charging the 2000s Eisner playbook. Brutal stuff.