Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[erasure fan1]

I'm not going to get into this whataboutisms with you. I provided examples where first impressions about a movie were bad and they were overcome. This movie has a mountain to overcome, and I don't think it will, and never claimed otherwise.

It's not whataboutism. You specifically chimed in questioning the validity of a analogy. Then proceeded to give an example that's no where near the same situation as zegler and snow white. So if you're going to talk about a movie that had a bad 1st impression, that's fine. But the least you could do is make it semi comparable if you are going to dismiss others analogies.

I won't get to into the first part of your post as it will get political. I think you're off base on it. It wasn't a flub, it was how she feels. It's not one post like you say. She's made her feelings known very clearly.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Alrighty, well lets talk about how much it's going to lose. Whats the over/under on it dropping more than 60% this weekend?

What's the over/under on it not cracking 100m domestic?

 

[Agent H]

If their marketing was supposed to contradict what was said wasn't going to be in the film/was going to be in the film then I definitely missed it. I definitely didn't see anything indicating a prince saving her or indicating they dropped the leadership thing.

Maybe if you're really following closely it was there, but I have no reason to do that when there are dozens of other films to pay attention to and it's already been made clear to me that this film is not going to be something I want.

The marketing went all in on comparisons to the original film even including scenes from it side by side with scenes from the new movie.

 

[Phroobar]

Alrighty, well lets talk about how much it's going to lose. Whats the over/under on it dropping more than 60% this weekend?

What's the over/under on it not cracking 100m domestic?

 

[Chi84]

It's not whataboutism. You specifically chimed in questioning the validity of a analogy. Then proceeded to give an example that's no where near the same situation as zegler and snow white. So if you're going to talk about a movie that had a bad 1st impression, that's fine. But the least you could do is make it semi comparable if you are going to dismiss others analogies.

I won't get to into the first part of your post as it will get political. I think you're off base on it. It wasn't a flub, it was how she feels. It's not one post like you say. She's made her feelings known very clearly.

Oh half the country probably feels that way. You need to get over it.

 

[brideck]

Alrighty, well lets talk about how much it's going to lose. Whats the over/under on it dropping more than 60% this weekend?

What's the over/under on it not cracking 100m domestic?

I'll take the over on both of these. A little more than a 60% drop weekend to weekend and grossing just over 100m domestic by the end of its run, if for no other reason than Disney will do its best to have it linger through the summer to try to hit that mark.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's not whataboutism. You specifically chimed in questioning the validity of a analogy. Then proceeded to give an example that's no where near the same situation as zegler and snow white. So if you're going to talk about a movie that had a bad 1st impression, that's fine. But the least you could do is make it semi comparable if you are going to dismiss others analogies.

Except the analogy the poster made and that I was talking about was about the comments made at D23 not the posts in 2024 that you're wanting to focus on. So my examples were specific to the D23 comments, not the 2024 comment. So I'm not giving examples for your scenario as that isn't the focus of my conversation.

I won't get to into the first part of your post as it will get political. I think you're off base on it. It wasn't a flub, it was how she feels. It's not one post like you say. She's made her feelings known very clearly.

I didn't say it was a flub. I said it a rash heat of the moment dumb post. And I have no doubt that is how she felt at the moment, but that doesn't mean she hates people like you and others claim. Again one can dislike someone's decisions without hating them.

 

[erasure fan1]

Oh half the country probably feels that way. You need to get over it.

That's fairly ignorant to say. Why do I have to get over it? The ones who need to get over anything, are the ones that think she didn't alienate a huge part of the buying public and are making excuses for her. That's money this film desperately needed. And constantly trying to spin it. Quick question, wasn't the vote pretty close to 50/50?

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

And in other news Theater Owners are looking at ways to entice movie goers back to theaters.

Texting, Weed and Sing-Alongs: Four Radical Ideas for Bringing New Audiences to Movie Theaters

Movie theaters need to start thinking outside of the box in order to bring in fresh audiences.

variety.com

All these suggestions would be a turn off for many though, so hopefully they keep thinking.

I was watching a box office video the other day that puts 90% the blame on streaming, and they made a very solid argument. 50 years ago theaters were terrified that TV would put them out of business but due to lack of content, commercials, and schedules it never happened, it wasn’t until everything became “on demand” that it’s actually happening.

Alrighty, well lets talk about how much it's going to lose. Whats the over/under on it dropping more than 60% this weekend?

What's the over/under on it not cracking 100m domestic?

My guess is a 50% drop, in part because it did such low numbers last week, I think it’ll pull in another $20-25 million this weekend.

I think it’ll eventually top $100 million domestic but not by much. It’s fortunate there’s not much competition right now.

 

[Chi84]

That's fairly ignorant to say. Why do I have to get over it? The ones who need to get over anything, are the ones that think she didn't alienate a huge part of the buying public and are making excuses for her. That's money this film desperately needed. And constantly trying to spin it. Quick question, wasn't the vote pretty close to 50/50?

Yes, 50/50 is two halves.

Look, this has to be faux outrage. There's no way I'm going to believe that normal adults care this much whether a twenty-something actor hates them or not. I just don't buy it.

 

[LittleBuford]

I mean, James Woods has said some pretty awful things about people on the left and never apologised for them. That’s not going to stop me from watching Hercules.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, 50/50 is two halves.

Look, this has to be faux outrage. There's no way I'm going to believe that normal adults care this much whether a twenty-something actor hates them or not. I just don't buy it.

And just for context, that 50/50 only represents less than 40% of the actual country. So whomever cares about this, as valid as their feelings might be, is only reflected in about 20ish% of the country, not the entire or even half the country.

I just dislike when people frame it as half the country being insulted when its really less than a quarter.

 

[Baloo124]

I mean, James Woods has said some pretty awful things about people on the left and never apologised for them. That’s not going to stop me from watching Hercules.

But he's also a smooth talker. He could use his Hades persona and call me worthless trash to my face, and after the initital shock & anger subsided, I'd probably be like: "You know, the guy's got a point."

 

[CaptJackSparrow]

Yes, 50/50 is two halves.

Look, this has to be faux outrage. There's no way I'm going to believe that normal adults care this much whether a twenty-something actor hates them or not. I just don't buy it.

Why isn’t anyone seeing the movie?

 

[Agent H]

But he's also a smooth talker. He could use his Hades persona and call me worthless trash to my face, and after the initital shock & anger subsided, I'd probably be like: "You know, the guy's got a point."

You know I wanna say this is wrong but I can’t. I physically can’t.

 

[LittleBuford]

Well they sure as heck didn't disown the statements. So as I was told here, and many agreed with. If you don't condemn it you are endorsing it.

I think it’s agreed by most that they played a significant role in her apology. That was their way of defusing the situation, consistent with the company’s general aversion to involving itself in such controversies if they can avoid it. And before anyone mentions Carano, as she herself has acknowledged, Disney likewise offered her the opportunity to apologise. She exercised her right not to take it, and it’s only then that they fired her and issued a public statement about her posts.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This cyclical framing seems somewhat at odds with your earlier then vs. now framing, which suggested that people used to be able to trust Disney but no longer can.

No need to suggest this…it’s exactly what’s going on

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

All this talk about “first impressions” and we are once again pretending the first two years - TWO YEARS! - of reactions to this project never happened. Lots of people heard Zegler’s unearthed comments about the original film specifically because of a two-year-old rage campaign.

History doesn’t change because it’s inconvenient to your ideology.

Yep…that “rage campaign” took down an otherwise bad, compeletely forgettable movie that was as easy to guess as who this weeks scooby doo villian is

The network always wins

Poor Disney

 

[Chi84]

Why isn’t anyone seeing the movie?

From what I hear there was no interest in the outdated IP and the movie they chose to make wasn’t that good.

 

[LittleBuford]

No need to suggest this…it’s exactly what’s going on

I was talking about trusting Disney to always deliver on quality. As the poster I was responding to himself noted, Disney has had good runs and bad throughout its history. It’s not as if everything they produced was top-notch before 2020.