TalkingHead
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NYT piece on WB and Zaslav mentions Snow White production/marketing cost was “at least $350 million.”
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Disney Irish
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There is a lot of context missing there. As it just spouts off a number without actually saying if that is before or after reshoots, before or after the tax breaks, etc.
So just like every other media outlet that spouts off a number without any further details, take it with a huge grain of salt and don’t rely on it.
Vegas Disney Fan
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I’ve seen so many conflicting reports I’ll be shocked if we ever know. All we know for sure is what England reported as part of the tax incentives, which I believe was $255 million before the rebate.
I think it’s safe to speculate the breakeven point is somewhere between $500-600 million but even that is speculation.
Casper Gutman
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Zegler should not have said what she said. It probably was a dig at Gadot. She should have been reprimanded. A lot of unfair, ugly hatred was directed at Gadot.
People are going out of their way to put the worst imaginable spin on Zegler’s comments while putting absurdly positive spin on the two years of hateful comments directed at Zegler or ignoring them altogether. She was not “allying” herself with anti-semitism.
This issue ties into a much larger and more relevant one. I won’t go into my own thoughts on the conflict other than to say they are not Zegler’s. Having said that, a great deal of speech sympathetic to Palestine is being aggressively and unconstitutionally suppressed right now. As part of this, legitimate comments are being labeled anti-Semitic (which helps to mask real and growing anti-Semitism). I disagree with an overwhelming majority of this speech, but its repression strikes at the heart of this nation’s ideals.
TalkingHead
Well-Known Member
It’s Brooks Barnes who Burbank has called on before. The “at least” is him doing Disney a favor.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I agree, which is why for better or worse you just have to take what the recognized trades say is the budget which is $269.4M.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
* By the end of 2023.
Or are you of the belief another year of production (reshoots, SFX) was relatively minimal?
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I read the article, I'm aware.
But that still doesn't make what they put into the article any less out of context. Again its not listed as being before or after reshoots and before or after tax breaks.
For example if we say its after reshoots but before tax breaks, that brings it down to less than $300M.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I don't know how much the reshoots and post-production was, and neither does anyone here. There have been so many numbers floated out there for this movie that they all contradict either other. So in order to cut through all the noise we just use a number reported by the trades we use the $269.4M number.
And at this point the actual number doesn't matter anyways as its very likely not breaking even anyways. So why does it matter if we use a lower number than what NYT reports.
LittleBuford
Well-Known Member
Sorry to be pedantic, but as a Brit, can I ask that England not be conflated with the United Kingdom!
TP2000
Well-Known Member
You realize that the Hollywood "industry" in SoCal is in an economic recession, dragging down the entire region, right?
You realize that multiple news sources, who are nothing but left-wing, keep talking about how dire the economic situation is for low level support workers, blue collar workers in the trades, and white collar cubicle drones in the movie industry, right?
The economy of greater Los Angeles is weakened and getting weaker, and the specific industry of show business is at the heart of that weakness. Which has led to Billion dollar budget deficits from LA to Sacramento. But sure, write off yet another mega-million Disney flop and pretend it doesn't matter to the little people. But it matters, and Hollywood's working class is paying the price.
Hollywood Workers, Still Reeling From Five Years Of Economic Turmoil, Turn To Collective Action In Wake Of L.A. Wildfires
In the wake of the L.A. wildfires, Hollywood's workers members have been helping their own with relief and recovery efforts.
deadline.com
Workers feel the pain as a post-streaming-wars Hollywood restructures
Contraction. Pullback. Market correction. However you want to describe what’s going on in the Hollywood economy right now, there are potentially brutal long-term consequences of the entertainment industry’s shrinkage.
www.latimes.com
Behind the stunning job losses in Hollywood: 'The audience has moved on'
After strikes by actors and writers last year, Los Angeles' entertainment economy is struggling to stage a comeback as production activity, employment and box office revenue are down.
www.latimes.com
California is gripped by economic problems, with no easy fix
Rising unemployment, a growing deficit and persistent outmigration are a painful trinity
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Your concern for the little guy is heart warming, it really is.You realize that the Hollywood "industry" in SoCal is in an economic recession, dragging down the entire region, right?
You realize that multiple news sources, who are nothing but left-wing, keep talking about how dire the economic situation is for low level support workers, blue collar workers in the trades, and white collar cubicle drones in the movie industry, right?
The economy of greater Los Angeles is weakened and getting weaker, and the specific industry of show business is at the heart of that weakness. Which has led to Billion dollar budget deficits from LA to Sacramento. But sure, write off yet another mega-million Disney flop and pretend it doesn't matter to the little people. But it matters, and Hollywood's working class is paying the price.
Hollywood Workers, Still Reeling From Five Years Of Economic Turmoil, Turn To Collective Action In Wake Of L.A. Wildfires
In the wake of the L.A. wildfires, Hollywood's workers members have been helping their own with relief and recovery efforts.Workers feel the pain as a post-streaming-wars Hollywood restructures
Contraction. Pullback. Market correction. However you want to describe what’s going on in the Hollywood economy right now, there are potentially brutal long-term consequences of the entertainment industry’s shrinkage.Behind the stunning job losses in Hollywood: 'The audience has moved on'
After strikes by actors and writers last year, Los Angeles' entertainment economy is struggling to stage a comeback as production activity, employment and box office revenue are down.California is gripped by economic problems, with no easy fix
Rising unemployment, a growing deficit and persistent outmigration are a painful trinitywww.economist.com
Funny how this never got brought up until now. Wasn’t really brought up during the strikes last year even though Disney had a banner year. Wasn’t brought up during Disney’s no good really bad year of 2023, but other Studios were doing ok. Wasn’t brought up during 2021 or 2022 when almost all Studios were struggling. Heck it wasn’t even really brought up too much during 2020 when everything was shutdown and many of us discussed how theaters might be closing permanently.
No it’s only brought up now after a producers son mentions it, which doesn’t even apply to the film it was being attributed to since it was done in the UK.
So as heart warming as it is, forgive me for not shedding a tear since it’s never been something anyone cared about before.
brideck
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Not in the movie industry writ large, though. You're talking specifically about the situation in SoCal. Others are talking about the industry as a whole, so ya'll are talking at cross purposes.
Disney didn't make Snow White in the LA area, so nothing you're talking about is pertinent to the discussion about that movie and its blue collar workers. Disney, in fact, hardly makes any of their live-action stuff in SoCal as far as I'm aware. (Anyone can feel free to correct me, I have no desire to look up what facilities have been used for every movie.) They shoot a lot in the UK, they shoot a lot in Georgia, etc. In short, they chase the tax credits that incentivize where movies and TV get made. As I'm sure you're aware, California is considering bumping their credits (https://variety.com/2025/biz/news/california-film-credit-35-percent-animation-sitcoms-1236348602/) in order to compete with the rest of the market, so maybe that will entice Disney to make more there.
TP2000
Well-Known Member
It was brought up because the Jonah Platt Instagram spat, and his valid points, made headlines in the past 24 hours.
He has a good point. Rachel Zegler already got her multi-million payout for Snow White, flop or hit. But the little guys need a Hollywood that is making more hits than flops to pay their rent.
The Hollywood economy, and the broader LA County economy, is weak right now and not looking bright. Rachel Zegler might try to remember that before she Tweets again in the future on her next mega-budget project.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
And as I mentioned before and @brideck just echoed none of this has anything to do with Snow White or Zegler. Platt’s comments are shallow at best and self serving at worst being the son of a producer who’s actual livelihood depends on the success of the films he produces, not the Hollywood “little guy” who have no actual stake in how a film does.
So as touching as this faux outrage you have is, if you really were concerned for the Hollywood “little guy” you’d be out every weekend going to the movies and supporting all those thousands of worker you claim to be concerned about.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
Do you think those productions move with only a few people involved? Of course not, it takes hundreds of people.
Ayla
Well-Known Member
The California economy in general is one of the weakest ones in the nation, and the Los Angeles economy specifically is one of the weakest in an already weak California. The loss of Hollywood production and business is really hurting things in and around LA.
Los Angeles' entertainment industry suffers continued losses over past three years, report says
The film and television industry in Los Angeles, widely heralded as the entertainment capital of the world, suffered substantial economic losses over the past three years, according to an industry report released Wednesday.www.cbsnews.com
There are parts of LA that were once vibrant and successful owing to their proximity to the Hollywood money machine, but they are now slipping into decay and abandonment. Not all of that is due to Hollywood's financial straits, but is also due to years of catastrophic government policy at the state and local level on drug abuse, crime, homelessness, etc.
But large swaths of LA that were once "Tinsel Town!" now look more like an abandoned steel mill town in Ohio.
That is complete and utter hogwash and you know it. California's economy alone is the 5th largest in the WORLD, which ranks them above the vast majority of countries across the globe.