Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[WorldExplorer]

So having seen the movie, their statements aren't incorrect based on the movie that was released though. And this is the problem with assuming based on a few comments 2-3 years before a movies is released without even seeing a trailer.

To use your analogy it would be like saying you're going to sell a sandwich and people deciding they don't want it a full 3 years before you open up the sandwich shop and list out all the ingredients of the sandwich just because you said you might use rye instead of white or wheat bread when talking about opening the shop. Not knowing that you'd still have white and wheat bread available in your sandwich shop when it opens.

If what she said sounded like a "might" to you then I don't know what to tell you because you're clearly not arguing in good faith. She clearly said this is going to happen and this isn't; the only "might" was that they might cut her costar entirely (which just reinforces the comment about not being saved). People are not wrong to take information presented to them as something confirmed as confirmed. And you intentionally shift the analogy to bread choice instead of filling to make it seem more inconsequential: she's talking about the main character of the film. If that's the bread, what's the filling?

Dozens of movies open every year and Disney has to compete for their attention. People have this weird idea that people are obligated to give Disney more attention than normal; normally, when you see a film that is clearly heading in a direction you don't like, you stop paying attention. You don't keep watching it to see if it might turn around into something you like. Huge, visible changes can change minds (e.g. Sonic), sure, but that's not what happened here.

If Disney's marketing plan is to hope people give them a bunch of chances and keep checking in on the press releases to see if the movie has entirely changed course, then good luck to them.

Good analogy. Let’s continue with that. If you marketed to me that you had made a new sandwich with jalapeños and cream cheese (I’m changing it because I don’t like peanut butter) I would probably come back.

If their marketing was supposed to contradict what was said wasn't going to be in the film/was going to be in the film then I definitely missed it. I definitely didn't see anything indicating a guy saving her or indicating they dropped the leadership thing.

Maybe if you're really following closely it was there, but I have no reason to do that when there are dozens of other films to pay attention to and it's already been made clear to me that this film is not going to be something I want.

 

[Disney Irish]

This is the newest report I can find but both on location and soundstage productions days are substantially down.

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You're trying to conflate a bunch of things together that have nothing to do with each other.

Look I'm all for having more local productions here in California. But you're doing a lot of heavy lifting trying to pin this on Snow White and it bombing and some domino effect that its going to have on the local LA region.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

So how many of Zegler's peesonal thankyou cards said "I hope you never feel peace" in them?

 

[Tha Realest]

So how many of Zegler's peesonal thankyou cards said "I hope you never feel peace" in them?

I’m wondering how many had “From the river to the sea”

 

[erasure fan1]

To use your analogy it would be like saying you're going to sell a sandwich and people deciding they don't want it a full 3 years before you open up the sandwich shop and list out all the ingredients of the sandwich just because you said you might use rye instead of white or wheat bread when talking about opening the shop.

Here's the problem with what you are saying. There's a reason the saying, "you only get one chance to make a first impression". So not matter the analogy you want to use, it really doesn't matter. The first impressions of this film were bad. Therefore people wrote it off. Then all the comments pretty much guaranteed an extremely large group wasn't going to give it a shot. And the cherry was the movie was panned by most who saw it, giving it almost no chance of a bounce back.

 

[LittleBuford]

I don't get this line of thinking. If your favorite store or restaurant said they hate you and they don't need your business, are you giving them your money?

For this analogy to hold, Disney, not Zegler, would have to have authored the remarks in question. All of us have given our money to businesses whose many employees include individuals who may dislike us. Zegler was speaking for herself, not the Disney Company.

 

[Disney Irish]

If what she said sounded like a "might" to you then I don't know what to tell you because you're clearly not arguing in good faith. She clearly said this is going to happen and this isn't; the only "might" was that they might cut her costar entirely (which just reinforces the comment about not being saved). People are not wrong to take information presented to them as something confirmed as confirmed. And you intentionally shift the analogy to bread choice instead of filling to make it seem more inconsequential: she's talking about the main character of the film. If that's the bread, what's the filling?

Dozens of movies open every year and Disney has to compete for their attention. People have this weird idea that people are obligated to give Disney more attention than normal; normally, when you see a film that is clearly heading in a direction you don't like, you stop paying attention. You don't keep watching it to see if it might turn around into something you like. Huge, visible changes can change minds (e.g. Sonic), sure, but that's not what happened here.

If Disney's marketing plan is to hope people give them a bunch of chances and keep checking in on the press releases to see if the movie has entirely changed course, then good luck to them.



If their marketing was supposed to contradict what was said wasn't going to be in the film/was going to be in the film then I definitely missed it. I definitely didn't see anything indicating a guy saving her or indicating they dropped the leadership thing.

Maybe if you're really following closely it was there, but I have no reason to do that when there are dozens of other films to pay attention to and it's already been made clear to me that this film is not going to be something I want.

The "filling" is the core plot of the story which neither actually described in their actual comments, they gave broad strokes of the plot, again a full 2 years before a teaser was release and 3 years before the full release.

A perfect example, people assumed that by her saying "she's not going to be dreaming about true love" meant that there would be no love story at all in the movie which isn't the case. Many people made that assumption 3 years ago here. She didn't say "Snow White isn't going to be a love story anymore", she's gave a broad stroke to say that Snow's focus isn't going to be true love but rather the kingdom. And yet in the final cut a love story is still part of the movie. A people made an assumption and it was wrong.

I learned a long time ago that when announced so early that comments usually made about a film that early in production either aren't fully accurate (they are trying to keep things hidden) or can change based on changes during production. But no people made assumptions based on 3 year old comments that may or may not actually reflect that is in the actual released cut of the movie.

 

[Disney Irish]

For this analogy to hold, Disney, not Zegler, would have to have authored the remarks in question. All of us have given our money to businesses whose many employees include individuals who may dislike us. Zegler was speaking for herself, not the Disney Company.

Not only that she never even said she hated anyone, that is people putting their own spin on what she said.

 

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[Disney Irish]

Here's the problem with what you are saying. There's a reason the saying, "you only get one chance to make a first impression". So not matter the analogy you want to use, it really doesn't matter. The first impressions of this film were bad. Therefore people wrote it off. Then all the comments pretty much guaranteed an extremely large group wasn't going to give it a shot. And the cherry was the movie was panned by most who saw it, giving it almost no chance of a bounce back.

And yet many a movie have bounced back after failing those first impressions. The famous one recently was "ugly sonic". Not to mention all the mocking of Chris Pratt's take on Mario's voice.

 

[LittleBuford]

Since she has been brought up for comparative purposes, I’ll note that even though Carano espouses views that I find offensive and that indicate that I’m not her kind of person, I’m able to separate her from the company she works for and the product she appears in. Would I have stopped watching The Mandalorian had Disney kept her on? No, I wouldn’t have. That would be giving Carano much too much power over my life.

 

[erasure fan1]

For this analogy to hold, Disney, not Zegler, would have to have authored the remarks in question. All of us have given our money to businesses whose many employees include individuals who may dislike us. Zegler was speaking for herself, not the Disney Company.

Well they sure as heck didn't disown the statements. So as I was told here, and many agreed with. If you don't condemn it you are endorsing it. No, I would never give my money at that moment to anyone who would disrespect me. And that's what we are talking about. She said it and people are staying away from that project. Just as you wouldn't eat at a place where the hostess insulted you and the manager did nothing. You might go back later with a new staff and management.

Not only that she never even said she hated anyone, that is people putting their own spin on what she said.

It's getting to the point of save the watches because it's getting deep. The only spin is this nonsense trying to justify what she said. I guess it's only hate when they don't agree with you right?

And yet many a movie have bounced back after failing those first impressions. The famous one recently was "ugly sonic". Not to mention all the mocking of Chris Pratt's take on Mario's voice.

Sure they have. But I would like for you to post the quote of Pratt insulting half the country. Or maybe the one of him saying I don't need your business if you don't agree with me. If you're going to criticize people on there analogies, you might want to work on yours a bit. I didn't say it couldn't bounce back, I said it probably has no shot because of her comments. People complained about Marios voice for sure. To liken it to the issues with snow white is Disney defense at it's finest.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I’m wondering how many had “From the river to the sea”

Did Zegler ever say this?

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Gina Carano made a comparison, Zegler wished negative things and made direct statements about people for their beliefs. They are not the same. One commented on the world. The other made comments about people.

 

[Casper Gutman]

And yet many a movie have bounced back after failing those first impressions. The famous one recently was "ugly sonic". Not to mention all the mocking of Chris Pratt's take on Mario's voice.

All this talk about “first impressions” and we are once again pretending the first two years - TWO YEARS! - of reactions to this project never happened. Lots of people heard Zegler’s unearthed comments about the original film specifically because of a two-year-old rage campaign.

History doesn’t change because it’s inconvenient to your ideology.

 

[Casper Gutman]

But what is now being decried as “woke” in this context—the move towards more robust portrayals of female leads—has been standard in Disney (and other family) entertainment since the ’90s. “She’s not gonna be saved by the prince” applies just as much—and indeed more so—to Frozen. The shift in discourse has been much more extreme than the shift in actual representation. Nothing Zegler or Gadot said about the remake should have been enough to cause the kind of reaction we’ve seen. I really think some people are just looking for reasons to feel ideologically affronted.

This is a brilliant post that strikes at the very core of this mad debate and it’s been largely ignored.

 

[Disney Irish]

It's getting to the point of save the watches because it's getting deep. The only spin is this nonsense trying to justify what she said. I guess it's only hate when they don't agree with you right?

I didn't try to justify it, it was a rash heat of the moment dumb post to make. But even if rash and dumb, I don't take anything that was specifically said to mean that she hates anyone. This is the difference that people here are trying to say, yeah it was a dumb post but no way do we think she is saying she hates half the country with that post.

Key take away here, one can dislike another's decisions without actually hating the person.

Sure they have. But I would like for you to post the quote of Pratt insulting half the country. Or maybe the one of him saying I don't need your business if you don't agree with me. If you're going to criticize people on there analogies, you might want to work on yours a bit. I didn't say it couldn't bounce back, I said it probably has no shot because of her comments. People complained about Marios voice for sure. To liken it to the issues with snow white is Disney defense at it's finest.

I'm not going to get into this whataboutisms with you. I provided examples where first impressions about a movie were bad and they were overcome. This movie has a mountain to overcome, and I don't think it will, and never claimed otherwise.

Also we've waded back into political, so I suggest we get off this topic.

 

[MoonRakerSCM]

Oh no, someone made a veiled 'brilliant' post attacking other posters on an obscure Disney forum!!!!

Yeah... all the showings worldwide are still empty.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yeah... all the showings worldwide are still empty.

The movie is a bomb, pretty much nothing is going to change that, and we all acknowledge that. The only question is how much its going to lose.

No one is trying to spin anything here, so not sure the point of talking about empty theaters anymore.

 

[Disney Irish]

And in other news Theater Owners are looking at ways to entice movie goers back to theaters.

Texting, Weed and Sing-Alongs: Four Radical Ideas for Bringing New Audiences to Movie Theaters

Movie theaters need to start thinking outside of the box in order to bring in fresh audiences.

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All these suggestions would be a turn off for many though, so hopefully they keep thinking.