DisneyWarrior27
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Neither do I.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Phroobar
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In Solo, didn't they try to portray Lando as Pansexual. He was in to men, women AND droids.Since it was an R Rated movie, and Marvel at that, the culture warriors don't care. Who cares if an R Rated movie has a "pansexual" in it? That actually seems tame for what R Rated can get away with now instead of getting an NC17 rating.
But put a "pansexual" in a PG rated animated movie for children, and Burbank will have problems all over again.
This isn't rocket science. It's basic parenting of 7 year old children.
As for "pansexuals", I have no idea what that might be, without going to Google in a few minutes. Is it a fancy new word for a bisexual? And in my day, a bisexual was just the guy in the bar playing hard to get right before Last Call.
Even before I go to Google, that just proves my hunch that Disney has learned their lesson the hard way and have already course corrected. Good for them! Keep the sexual stuff, pan or otherwise, out of kids movies and all will be fine at the box office.
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Even the heterosexual stuff from the earlier princess films…I would prefer that the world move forward then staying back in your day
LittleBuford
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The Burbank headquarters of Walt Disney Animation Studios was involved with the project even when it was conceived as a series. The Vancouver branch still falls under the Walt Disney Animation Studios umbrella and isn’t some shoddy outside operation. Disney has long had such satellite studios (Orlando and Paris, both now closed) and they have always been considered in-house. I didn’t much like Moana 2, but the visuals weren’t the issue.
As for the previous two WDAS films flopping, immediately before them was Encanto, second only to Moana as last year’s most-streamed movie, and Zootopia 2 and Frozen 3 are already in development. I see no reason to worry.
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LittleBuford
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I like romance (straight or queer) in Disney animated films and hope it makes a comeback.
Exactly…. It should not make a difference who a person loves….that some posters try to paint something like the crush in Strange World as anything less then innocent just to fit their own biases
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Exactly, I don't know where this idea that this was done by some cheap offshore outside group came from. This was done by WDAS, just in Canada. It would be no different if WDAS had their Orlando team do it, as you mentioned.
This is also why the comments of it being like DisneyToons also irritates me, as this isn't the same thing.
Wendy Pleakley
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Oh look, the peddling of bigotry has returned. It was a good run for a while.
Yes, leave us Vancouverites alone! I am sure our WDAS offices are beautiful and wonderful.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You get no quarrel from me, Canada is beautiful and has great animators working for WDAS.
I'm sorry, but after last month's results of the election, I doubt it.
erasure fan1
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I wouldn't say "if not at all". Sure it's more common for the original to be better. But I can think of plenty of sequels that are better than the first. The issue is when a sequel is far less than the original in quality. There are PLENTY of sequels that might not be as good as the original, but are very much quality films worthy of being a sequel.
Maybe I did, but you did say
So if they only come out for sequels, that means they don't to come out for original ips. So it seems easy to misunderstand.
But that would make your first response to me make very little sense. I never said anything about why Disney is doing sequels. In fact multiple times I've said they absolutely should, it's expected. The original post that I responded to was about people here complaining about sequels. And my response was they absolutely want them, just good ones.
TP2000
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The problem there is that this isn't my call. Did you read the Variety article?
The call was made by the global marketplace of Billions of consumers of Disney's family entertainment products that has already spoken on that issue in 2022-2023. And Bob heard them and is now making his teams at WDAS and Pixar listen to their customers.
Marvel and Lucas and Searchlight and 20th Century will all keep making PG-13 or R Rated movies with sexual themes of various sorts, no problem. I haven't heard a single person upset about that. I'm certainly not. Aside from the government censors in Muslim and Communist countries that don't allow those Burbank movies to be shown anyway, who would care???
But the issue with Walt Disney Studios and Walt Disney Animation and Pixar is settled, and Bob Iger has gone on record saying so. And once they get past Snow White this March, it should be onward and upward and back to fairly consistent profitability. It really boils down to a branding issue for specific studios aimed at the family audience globally.
As for "staying back in my day", that's mostly the gay bar scene of the Disco Era and the 80's. And you wouldn't believe the things I've seen! Some of it would need an NC-17 rating, it wouldn't even get an R. The box office would be questionable though.
TP2000
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It's a gorgeous city! Your comment made me Google...
The Disney Animation studios in Vancouver are downtown at 1132 Hamilton St., in a hipster neighborhood, in a remodeled brick building about 5 stories tall. Above a blowout hair bar and a place called Yaletown Distillery that makes its own small batch gin.
Sound like a heavenly place to work, doesn't it?
For once, TP200 has a good point. While Marvel, LucasFilm, and 20th Century Fox will continue including LGBTQ characters in live acton movies and shows, but only for PG13 and R movies, and TV14 and TVMA TV shows and movies. And WDAS and Pixar has to get out of that which they are. Besides, not only DIsney needs to impress us Americans, they need to impress people from around the world to make profit. Which is why Lightyear and Strange World flopped at the box office. No, I'm not going to mention Wish. Wish is fine to me, despite of it's flaws. Anyway, my point is that Disney needs to respect the costumers whether we agree with them or not. Sorry, that's how business is whether we like it or not.The problem there is that this isn't my call.
The call was made by the global marketplace of Billions of consumers of Disney's family entertainment products that has already spoken on that issue in 2022-2023. And Bob heard them and is now making his teams at WDAS and Pixar listen to their customers.
Marvel and Lucas and Searchlight and 20th Century will all keep making R Rated movies with sexual themes of various sorts, no problem. I haven't heard a single person upset about that. I'm certainly not. Aside from the government censors in Muslim and Communist countries that don't allow those Burbank movies to be shown anyway, who would care???
But the issue with Walt Disney Studios and Walt Disney Animation and Pixar is settled, and Bob Iger has gone on record saying so. And once they get past Snow White this March, it should be onward and upward and back to fairly consistent profitability. It really boils down to a branding issue for specific studios aimed at the family audience globally.
As for "staying back in my day", that's mostly the gay bar scene of the Disco Era and the 80's. And you wouldn't believe the things I've seen! Some of it would need an NC-17 rating, it wouldn't even get an R. The box office would be questionable though.
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LittleBuford
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It won't be long before Disney makes a successful animated movie with queer characters. Pixar already did it with Elemental. Anyone who thinks we are about to experience a longterm retreat from representation is kidding themselves or betraying their own ideological unease. The march of progress is unstoppable.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
This however is very subjective when talking about quality, lets use the example of Moana 2 since its recent. You may not feel its a quality film and thus isn't a worthy sequel and living up to the quality of the original. I however may disagree feeling its a quality film on its own but just falls shorts in terms of its status to the original.
That doesn't mean I was saying that the public doesn't want originals, just that they aren't taking the much risk of seeing them in theaters when they come out. Elemental, as you mentioned, is an example of an original where the public was hesitant at first, but then came out after some time.
Basically the public is gun shy when it comes to originals, just instead sticking to the more comfortable sequels. And this isn't just isolated to Disney, rather all of Hollywood. Which is why there are so many sequels to just about every franchise you can name being pumped out left and right.
What I gathered from your post is that you are ok with sequels only if there is a "story" to tell, and be a good story, otherwise don't make a sequel. And that was what I was commenting on, just saying the public doesn't seem to care that much about the story overall, just that they are getting to see their favorite characters again. So in that regard, cash grab or not, Disney is giving the public what they want, even if you think the quality of the story is lacking and not worthy of the original.
Chi84
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Disney has respect for all of its customers.
LittleBuford
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I looked it up, and the offices are in a space "previously occupied by Motion Picture Company (MPC), a major global visual effects, CGI, and animation studio that produced popular films including Watchmen, Life of Pi, The Lion King, Dumbo, Blade Runner 2049, Sully, Maleficent, and Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows."
Disney to open new office in Yaletown in downtown Vancouver | Urbanized
Walt Disney Animation Studios is establishing its Vancouver presence at 1132 Hamilton Street in Yaletown in downtown.
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