Ghost93
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Which is what Disney did previously with Wish.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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LittleBuford
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Happy as I am for Disney, I wish this were happening with a worthier film.
Farerb
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It's happening mostly thanks to how beloved the original is. We should all be happy that the original is as much a classic as The Little Mermaid and Aladdin and receives the same treatment as they did by getting cheap sequels and a remake.
LittleBuford
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I have no objection in principle to sequels and remakes. I just wish that box-office performance were more directly correlated with quality.
Disney Irish
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Unfortunately the general public has never truly cared about quality in the era of franchises. If they had we wouldn't have 11 and counting Fast and Furious movies all to varying degrees of success.
Animaniac93-98
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A reminder for all those celebrating Moana 2's box office that Return of Jafar was among the top 10 best selling home video titles of all time in 1994.
It is not just a now problem….which is why we have so many Police Academy sequels and Adam Sandler movies
DisneyWarrior27
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Now with the inevitability of Moana 2 making a billion thus making the experiment of turning a Disney+ series into a movie a success, there’s only one question… Will Disney turn Tiana into a sequel to The Princess and the Frog for a theatrical release in Thanksgiving 2029 and give it the needed money to make it fully 2D/hand-drawn animated?
Guess we’ll have to wait and see…
I would like to believe there will be C-suite level conversations at Disney about doing that when they come back from their holiday vacation tomorrow.
Guess we’ll have to wait and see…
I would like to believe there will be C-suite level conversations at Disney about doing that when they come back from their holiday vacation tomorrow.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Its funny what a difference a year makes, however I don't think we're out of the woods yet to say one way or the other. Its going to take a few years of stellar box office before it can be said they aren't failing. Domestically theaters are still struggling, and we're still not if ever getting back to a prepandemic box office. AMC for example still has more than a few popcorn buckets full of debt they haven't taken care of yet, they've staved off going under for now, but that bill will come due soon. So unless things change for them that is one that may be lost. Regal isn't doing that much better even though they emerged recently from bankruptcy themselves. Cinemark is the only chain that seems solid for now. So when two of the three major chains still have financial troubles its still not clear how thing will shake out.
So yes things look rosy right now, but all it takes is another disruption for the house of cards to fall.
Disney Irish
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I think it all depends on how far along they are in production. The thing that made it easy for Moana 2 to transition from a series to theatrical is they hadn't really started yet on the animation, only on the story (which I assume only had some rough storyboard animations done).
If the Tiana series, especially if its 2d hand drawn, has already started animation I don't see them spending the money to transition it to theatrical.
But we'll have to wait and see, anything is possible.
Tha Realest
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Taking Pixar out of the equation (and their record is mixed too) WDAS has an abysmal record in terms of sequels to their animated films.
Animaniac93-98
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The direct-to-video sequels were done by Disney Toon Studios, not WDAS proper. Their sequels to date:
The Rescuers Down Under
Fantasia 2000
Winnie the Pooh (2011)
Ralph Breaks the Internet
Frozen 2
Moana 2*
+ the upcoming Zootopia 2 and Frozen 3 and 4
Having said that, I hope future sequels turn out better than their last 3
DisneyWarrior27
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From what I understand, the last I heard of Tiana was when I was at D23 and all they said was that it’s “now in production,” meaning it may have already started production in August.
So, compared to Moana 2, it’s early enough that they might be able to change course before it’s too far into the production process.
DisneyWarrior27
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Don’t forget Tiana, since WDAS is also doing that.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Again it all depends on how far along they are in the process. I wasn't at the panel, but if they call it "in production" as you said that likely means they've already started animation since it takes a long time for hand drawn to be completed. So I can't see them transitioning it to theatrical, but stranger things have happened. So again we'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.
DisneyWarrior27
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They said “NOW in production,” meaning they had just started if they’re saying “NOW” in the street sense of what “NOW” means.
So, it could still change to a movie since it’s early enough but like you and I said, we’ll just have to wait and see.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
You're getting stuck on a single word. But if I say I'm now in production of my product, it means I started producing the product, ie its no longer in development stage. So that still indicates they've already started actual animation rather than just storyboarding it. You know as well as I do how long and how expensive hand drawn animation is, so if they started production on the actual hand drawn animation for a series its not likely for them to scrap it just to turn it in to a theatrical film.
So yes we'll have to wait and see, but as I said I wouldn't get my hopes up on this one. Especially since remember it was suppose to be released at the same time as the ride opening, so they are already behind schedule.
doctornick
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I know this is a bunch of pages back, but I am in agreement with this and will take it farther.
I like my entertainment to be a form of escapism and I hate the trend of making bad guys "misunderstood" or good guys having significant flaws. I'm much more a fan of characters being more explicitly "good" or "evil" and for a conflict to be one side you clearly want to root for and have that side "win".
I mean I'm fine with giving a villain a backstory or reason why they are evil, but they should be clearly in the wrong. Similarly, I'm okay for the hero to start off less good and have some redemption or development, but by the time they are the protagonist, I like them to be unequivocally on the side of being right.
I actually have a big problem with shows where the main characters are basically jerks or mean or hurtful people. If I'm investing in a show, I want to be able to root for the main characters and hope they succeed not be disappointed in their actions.
Sorry for my simple mindset, but I hate the trend that so much in entertainment has to have characters that are "nuanced". There's a place for it, but I feel the trend has pushed too far in that direction where it has invaded most films and shows.