DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios

[Stripes]

We can also exclude the Zootopia rethemed of ITtbaB and the Villains retheme of Sunset Blvd's Cars show.

I suspect more is going to be announced in Brazil. But we’ll see.

The SFWMD permit indicated there are near-term plans to develop the Adventureland plot rumored for Moana.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I suspect more is going to be announced in Brazil. But we’ll see.

The SFWMD permit indicated there are near-term plans to develop the Adventureland plot rumored for Moana.

Not necessarily. The water management permits are not like building permits in that they have to be tied to specific, imminent work.

 

[Stripes]

Not necessarily. The water management permits are not like building permits in that they have to be tied to specific, imminent work.

I wouldn’t necessarily say imminent but the permit specifically mentioned that the Adventureland expansion plot was designated for future development and that the new regional stormwater facility was designed and engineered to support those basins once they are developed.

 

[Marc Davis Fan]

I suspect more is going to be announced in Brazil. But we’ll see.

The SFWMD permit indicated there are near-term plans to develop the Adventureland plot rumored for Moana.

My fingers have been staying crossed for this. Apparently the Adventureland announcement was planned but cut fairly late in the game.

The Magic Kingdom hasn't gotten a new e-ticket since Splash Mountain opened in 1992 (unless you count the 59-second TLCR, in which case it has gotten 1 in that quarter-century period). As the park perceived to be "Disney" by most people, it should put Disney's best foot forward, and that means really catching up big-time, IMHO. Four upcoming e-tickets would seem about right to that end.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I wouldn’t necessarily say imminent but the permit specifically mentioned that the Adventureland expansion plot was designated for future development and that the new regional stormwater facility was designed and engineered to support those basins once they are developed.

The water management permits do not have to be tied to any specific work. You can receive the permission and then just sit on it. It’s not use or lose it like with building permits. It’s a spot they’ve specifically identified for expansion and have looked at multiple times over the past 20 years, it makes sense to go ahead and get it set up now while they’re already doing a major redo of the park’s water management. They are then free to do something sooner or later.

 

[Fox&Hound]

Well...

In AK -
Dinosaur REPLACED by Indy.
Primeval Whirl REPLACED the Encanto attraction.
Triceratop Spin REPLACED by a carousel.
LOSS of the boneyard.
LOSS of Cretaceous Trail

In MK -
LOSS of Rivers of America
LOSS of TSI
LOSS of the riverboat
REPLACED by one E ticket Cars attraction and one flat kids ride.

In HS -
Muppets 3D (probably) REPLACED by the Monsters coaster.

Honorable mention -
EPCOT Future World DESTROYED by World Celebration rust garden and ugly planter.

I wont mention Villains land in MK, its too far in the future and is probably BS.

This is utter rubbish thinking and you know it. Trying to pretend that a major Encanto addition does not count because it replaced primeval whirl?!? Seriously?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

This is utter rubbish thinking and you know it. Trying to pretend that a major Encanto addition does not count because it replaced primeval whirl?!? Seriously?

He never said it didn’t count. But there are attractions being lost with this.

The boneyard seems to be biggest loss to me. I don’t have kids, but areas where kids can play and explore like shrunk the kids, Tom Sawyer island, and boneyard seem like good things for the parks to have.

 

[Disstevefan1]

This is utter rubbish thinking and you know it. Trying to pretend that a major Encanto addition does not count because it replaced primeval whirl?!? Seriously?

I loved primeval whirl!

Besides that-

I hope Encanto handles more people per hour than primeval whirl! My main point is park capacity. I do not think the park is significantly gaining capacity with these changes compared when Dinoland USA was in full swing, and the bone yard and the trail was there.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Primeval Whirl and CTX in the same land. Shoulda been called Spine-orama.

 

[RSoxNo1]

Which 7 new rides? 3 for Animal Kingdom of which one is a re-skin.... Cars Road Rally thing, Something for Villains and possibly a second attraction... I am at 5, possibly 6... but that also includes the "Phase 2" components which rarely happen.

Indiana Jones, Carousel and Encanto in DAK
Two Cars Rides and Two Villains Rides in MK
Monster's Inc Coaster in DHS

I should have said 8, my bad.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Indiana Jones, Carousel and Encanto in DAK
Two Cars Rides and Two Villains Rides in MK
Monster's Inc Coaster in DHS

I should have said 8, my bad.

Come on. Counting Villains rides is a cheat. That land has as much chance of happening as if it hasn’t been mentioned.

If everything else gets built it’s a net addition of MAYBE one attraction, depending on the location of Monsters. If you want to give Disney the benefit of the doubt and count only “rides,” it might be an addition of three rides, one of them (the second Cars attraction, which is far from guaranteed) likely a flat.

Before the announcements, reliable insiders were reporting that we were getting ADDITIONAL capacity in the form of major Coco and Moana rides at MK, possible additional capacity from an AK Lion King attraction, and keeping Rivers of America and Muppets. The D23 announcements were really quite awful.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Indiana Jones, Carousel and Encanto in DAK
Two Cars Rides and Two Villains Rides in MK
Monster's Inc Coaster in DHS

I should have said 8, my bad.

What's timeline for the 8 new attractions? Do we know?

 

[Bocabear]

Let's call it 10 new attractions because the Auto Parts Mountain and the Villains Lair gift shop will be attractions in an of themselves....lol
and can we count the new flooring material as an attraction like they did in EPCOT?

 

[Starship824]

What's timeline for the 8 new attractions? Do we know?

5 years, according to Disney, so take that as you will.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Let's call it 10 new attractions because the Auto Parts Mountain and the Villains Lair gift shop will be attractions in an of themselves....lol
and can we count the new flooring material as an attraction like they did in EPCOT?

Hey we need to add the two DVC towers; Poly and reflections and the new DVC that is replacing cabins since Iger considers these expansions

 

[Starship824]

Come on. Counting Villains rides is a cheat. That land has as much chance of happening as if it hasn’t been mentioned.

If everything else gets built it’s a net addition of MAYBE one attraction, depending on the location of Monsters. If you want to give Disney the benefit of the doubt and count only “rides,” it might be an addition of three rides, one of them (the second Cars attraction, which is far from guaranteed) likely a flat.

Before the announcements, reliable insiders were reporting that we were getting ADDITIONAL capacity in the form of major Coco and Moana rides at MK, possible additional capacity from an AK Lion King attraction, and keeping Rivers of America and Muppets. The D23 announcements were really quite awful.

Ahh, so the d23 announcements were awful because YOU were hyped up by rumors. That's a great argument.

 

[WorldExplorer]

Well...

In AK -
Dinosaur REPLACED by Indy.
Primeval Whirl REPLACED the Encanto attraction.
Triceratop Spin REPLACED by a carousel.
LOSS of the boneyard.
LOSS of Cretaceous Trail

If you're counting the trail, count the Fossil Fun Games.

Something great about Dinoland when it had everything it was built to have was that it was clearly built with families in mind. It had a lot of variety. Are the big kids in the line for Dinosaur or Primeval Whirl and you have little ones that don't want to go on? Well, you could go in the line for TriceraTop Spin, but if you don't want to you can walk right into the Boneyard, OR you can play the carnival games.

You can see this same type of thinking in Frontierland. More adventurous family members on Splash Mountain or Big Thunder? Head on over to Tom Sawyer Island or the Country Bear Jamboree or play at the mini-Laughin' Place playground.

Attractions that are easily accessible and do not have long lines (or any at all), not because they're failing, but because they were not designed to attract tons of people and have a line/were designed to have high turn over. They're low on investment; they're short, and/or you can leave at will. When the family is off the big ride, you just leave the playground or they join you easily because you aren't stuck in another line that isn't perfectly aligned with the time of the line they were in. If you must wait for CB to end or the raft to show up, it shouldn't be long.

When they're done with the two lands, you'll have the option to go stand in another line with your kids who naturally hate waiting and are probably very much sick of lines by this point. Just like Toy Story Land.

No problem, of course. Just spend more money on Lightning Lanes. Disney wants to make it easy for you to have fun, after all.

 

[Casper Gutman]

Ahh, so the d23 announcements were awful because YOU were hyped up by rumors. That's a great argument.

The announced changes are awful because (with the exception of the Dinoland redo) they’re awful.

And I’ve come to trust certain insiders enough not to call them rumors. I think it’s fair to say the Moana/ Coco expansion was the plan until a relatively last minute change determined by a top-level desire to save on land development and to include an IP that moves more merch.

The core issue is that the WDW parks desperately need added capacity, especially MK, but that management absolutely will not acknowledge this or act on it for reasons largely connected to executive egos.

 

[Disstevefan1]

If you're counting the trail, count the Fossil Fun Games.

Something great about Dinoland when it had everything it was built to have was that it was clearly built with families in mind. It had a lot of variety. Are the big kids in the line for Dinosaur or Primeval Whirl and you have little ones that don't want to go on? Well, you could go in the line for TriceraTop Spin, but if you don't want to you can walk right into the Boneyard, OR you can play the carnival games.

You can see this same type of thinking in Frontierland. More adventurous family members on Splash Mountain or Big Thunder? Head on over to Tom Sawyer Island or the Country Bear Jamboree or play at the mini-Laughin' Place playground.

Attractions that are easily accessible and do not have long lines (or any at all), not because they're failing, but because they were not designed to attract tons of people and have a line/were designed to have high turn over. They're low on investment; they're short, and/or you can leave at will. When the family is off the big ride, you just leave the playground or they join you easily because you aren't stuck in another line that isn't perfectly aligned with the time of the line they were in. If you must wait for CB to end or the raft to show up, it shouldn't be long.

When they're done with the two lands, you'll have the option to go stand in another line with your kids who naturally hate waiting and are probably very much sick of lines by this point. Just like Toy Story Land.

No problem, of course. Just spend more money on Lightning Lanes. Disney wants to make it easy for you to have fun, after all.

All good points. We all must remember the real reason they are filling in ROA, removing TSI and the riverboat..... TO SELL MORE LLs!!!

 

[Starship824]

The announced changes are awful because (with the exception of the Dinoland redo) they’re awful.

And I’ve come to trust certain insiders enough not to call them rumors. I think it’s fair to say the Moana/ Coco expansion was the plan until a relatively last minute change determined by a top-level desire to save on land development and to include an IP that moves more merch.

The core issue is that the WDW parks desperately need added capacity, especially MK, but that management absolutely will not acknowledge this or act on it for reasons largely connected to executive egos.

1. That's very much your opinion, you're entitled to that, I don't fully agree but if that's how you feel then fine.

2. Whether you trust an "insider" or not, anything that's unconfirmed is a rumor. And there were rumours of Cars months before d23, mainly coming from Brayden at Mickey views who was right about almost everything, including that the RoA would be removed.

3. Whether you like the Cars announcement or not it will give the park more capacity. The amount of people who will experience Cars and villains will be more than TSI and the RoA. I do agree DAK and DHS need way more capacity.