October82
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Theme parks have come a long way in 70 years.
Even if this were true - and it’s not - that wouldn’t make these sorts of decisions good ones.
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MK Cars-Themed Attractions at Magic Kingdom
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Even if this were true - and it’s not - that wouldn’t make these sorts of decisions good ones.
AidenRodriguez731
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Country Bear takes place in the 30s
Brer Panther
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Do they? If they want less people in the parks, wouldn't adding all these IP-based rides, ones that will supposedly draw more people to the parks than non-IP ones, be counterproductive?
I figured the raised prices were just because Disney wants to make more money.
TrainsOfDisney
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What makes you say that? Not arguing, just haven’t seen that said before.
el_super
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Adding the Matterhorn maybe? They didn't even know what land it was in when it first opened. Or maybe Small World being in its own 'land' when it opened? Lincoln on Main Street? Caribbean pirates in New Orleans? Or what about carving New Orleans out of Frontierland to begin with?
There's lots of examples of things being put into Disneyland because they were fun and not because they fit or supported the theme.
el_super
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Yes they have... which is why it's so weird to keep suggesting they need to stay the same.
TrainsOfDisney
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I had thought about that one - the Matterhorn, monorail, subs, autopia, fantasyland / Tomorrowland jumble only works because of Bob Gurr and the overall genius planning of how attractions can interact with each other. But of course Matterhorn replaced nothing.
That was an expansion…. So good!
Abraham Lincoln shouldn’t be on Main Street USA?
This is still a very odd transition theme wise - and one of the reasons I think California and Florida are tied - the setup and theming is so much better in Florida. But again… this didn’t take anything away did it? Actually not sure on the history of that section of the park.
CoasterCowboy67
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This is a geographic themed area, and Cars is consistent with that definition. D23 confirmed that is the direction. The time period is irrelevant, as its irrelevant everywhere else in the park with rides spanning centuries
The vintage feel and percieved time bound is not intentional — it’s indicative of little updates done to the park except for Tomorrowland and Fantasyland who by definition are based on old fairytales.
There is nothing inherent about Magic Kingdom that prevents it from keeping up with modern times. When Disneyland opened in 1955, plenty of rides were set 20-30 years prior. Cars, right now, is 20 years old
TrainsOfDisney
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D23 confirmed that Frontierland is “being reimagined” - so yes, it’s a change.
James Alucobond
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If it were as wholly irrelevant as you claim, they wouldn't be going to extreme lengths to hide the Cars attractions from the rest of Frontierland. You can certainly make the argument that "frontier" is a much broader term than people are allowing for, and you can even suggest that it's okay to have different isolated subland pockets that explore different kinds of frontiers. However, Cars is not at all interchangeable with the other attractions in Frontierland in the way that you're describing because it's quite simply not visually coherent with the other elements of the area. Everything else is designed to be viewed together, but Cars is not. The Imagineers know this; that's why they're sequestering it away behind trees and walls.
Disgruntled Walt
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- In the Parks
- No
Yes, but will those trees and walls make it to the final product? I don't think that's a guarantee, given what we've seen in recent years.
DisneyFanatic12
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I think if all the rock work, water features, and landscaping make it into the final product, this could actually be visually equal or maybe even an upgrade (to some). Sadly, I don’t think all this scenery will make it through. If it does though, it would actually be a pretty amazing land, in my opinion.
CoasterCowboy67
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Extreme lengths?? We dont know any of this. We have one overheard piece of artwork. From my read of that artwork, Cars will be very visible if you’re standing in front of Tiana or Big Thunder. Just across a pathway. Doesn’t seem hidden at all, and if they wanted to make it different from Frontierland, they would have made it a standalone mini-land as they’ve been very willing to do recently. The fact they didn’t indicates this is not a standalone or disjoint concept. Quite the opposite — it’s a consistent extension of the geographical references
CoasterCowboy67
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You’ve referenced the phrase out of context. He is referring to reimagining ROA / TSI (an existing part of the land) into these Car experiences. Not the entirety of Frontierland being reimagined.
Instead, D23 reminds us the definition of Frontier that the park and land has adhered to — the American west
HMF
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Not in Walt Disney World. In Disneyland this is true.
CoasterCowboy67
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Genius? If you had any part of any park to pick apart for discontinuity of timeline and location, it would be this one. Australian submarines at the foot of a Swiss mountain? Intermixed with a modern monorail and race cars? Yet another reason Disneyland’s ride density has done a huge disservice to its suspension of disbelief / feeling of immersion. I am so glad MK is not following in its path! Phew!
How is adding Cars not 10x more consistent with its surroundings than this mess?
TrainsOfDisney
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If you want to knock down Bob Gurr and the other imagineers from that era be my guest
James Alucobond
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... When have trees not made the final product? If there's one thing we can count on, it's more trees.
They haven't made standalone minilands in Magic Kingdom. They have appended subsections to larger lands, like how Fantasyland is now divided between the original medieval tourney area, New Fantasyland, and Storybook Circus. This is being tacked onto Frontierland because they can somewhat justify it semantically, but they know it's visually inconsistent with the existing area and are therefore cloaking it with flora and other barriers. It's possible these barriers recede slightly toward the end of Thunder Mountain, but I think the geyser section may actually be at a different elevation that's not immediately apparent from the artwork. Any buildings you can see just look like lodges, and a lot of the vehicle track toward the outside actually looks to sit below the elevation of the main Frontierland walkway.
CoasterCowboy67
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If they dont stand up to the same bar you expect new additions to adhere to, I will gladly point out the double standardIf you want to knock down Bob Gurr and the other imagineers from that era be my guest
TrainsOfDisney
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Just in case it wasn’t clear - I’m not 100% against cars being in or adjacent to Frontierland. I’m 100% against removing the riverboat and all of the island - even if the island could no longer be visited.If they dont stand up to the same bar you expect new additions to adhere to, I will gladly point out the double standard
Now do I think modern cars belong in the middle of Frontierland, no, but I don’t think Avatar belongs at DAK and I enjoy it for what it is.