hopefully the backlash makes them consider if they have their heats set on it leaving grand avenue. Hope for the best. Expect the worst. The idea of this going to imagination makes me chuckle, because it’d be funny for imagination to basically turn into the “Disney fan cult classic” pavilion
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DHS Monster Inc Land Coming to Disney's Hollywood Studios
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erasure fan1
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Have you seen their attempts? It hasn't caught on because most of it has been meh to bad. As you say Muppets 2011 was a good return for them. It did well, people enjoyed it, it won an Oscar for best song. But then a bunch of questionable choices and the Muppets 2 takes 3 steps back. The next few projects were not great at all.
So after a string of bad they releases, we get muppets mayhem. It's very well received by the fans and critic's. It won some awards, spawned a #1 album so of course they cancel it. It was the closest to original Henson Muppets they've come. Every time they give the ip a good new starting point, they take a dump on it. It's absolutely no wonder why people are down on it.
Oz has said Disney has never come to him for help with them. Who knows them better than him? No one. Last I looked, the Muppet web shorts did great. The bohemian rhapsody had almost 200mil views. Now don't get wrong. The Muppets will never be a major anchor for Disney. But they have a place, they have a following, and they can sell merch if done the proper way.
Tha Realest
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Agree with all that. Hoskins gave one of the greatest performances of all time in that role. Best chance they had was back in the streaming gold rush days where every pitch got greenlit. Would’ve loved to have seen Josh Gad play a relative of Hoskins character and they’re teaming up to solve a mystery in post WWII LA.
GenChi
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Been following the back and forth on this, this is my entirely headcanon likely false conspiracy to make sense of this whole thing.
Monsters was set to replace Muppetvision and that area of the park. They had concept art ready for D23 to confirm it. They was greenlit as late as July 17th this year, that's why you started to see a random article about making it a "historical site" (though it can't be with its age), that journalist got the tip they might be removing this. Internally some are fighting for it to stay and there's a campaign from them.
They knew removing would get heavy backlash, it is now with no confirmation. Muppet fans are very passionate and this is a realic of Jim's final works. Where I get into full conspiracy is I believe the rumors they want to replace HOP with Muppets, as that's a massive lightning rod headache for them and Muppets is something they still want around. That would soften the blow if announced the same time at D23. What threw a wrench is the unprecedented election withdraw late July. To not get too into politics if they closed HOP right before we get the first female president it would be a very bad look and they figured that out in a few days. So they have to keep HOP at least until after election, but that would also mean announcing Muppetvision leaving without a replacement which would be insane meltdown levels. So Monsters is just announced without a specific location as they aren't sure yet on final plans where to put Monsters or if HOP is shutting down soon or in 4 years.
There seems to be a last minute push internally to move Monsters to AC and spare Muppets. There's definite connections they are making with journalists and influences to push a final online campaign to save it, and also why you hear so many conflicting stories on what's being replaced. How that ends up is anyone's guess, many ways it could between multiple ride's fates
Monsters was set to replace Muppetvision and that area of the park. They had concept art ready for D23 to confirm it. They was greenlit as late as July 17th this year, that's why you started to see a random article about making it a "historical site" (though it can't be with its age), that journalist got the tip they might be removing this. Internally some are fighting for it to stay and there's a campaign from them.
They knew removing would get heavy backlash, it is now with no confirmation. Muppet fans are very passionate and this is a realic of Jim's final works. Where I get into full conspiracy is I believe the rumors they want to replace HOP with Muppets, as that's a massive lightning rod headache for them and Muppets is something they still want around. That would soften the blow if announced the same time at D23. What threw a wrench is the unprecedented election withdraw late July. To not get too into politics if they closed HOP right before we get the first female president it would be a very bad look and they figured that out in a few days. So they have to keep HOP at least until after election, but that would also mean announcing Muppetvision leaving without a replacement which would be insane meltdown levels. So Monsters is just announced without a specific location as they aren't sure yet on final plans where to put Monsters or if HOP is shutting down soon or in 4 years.
There seems to be a last minute push internally to move Monsters to AC and spare Muppets. There's definite connections they are making with journalists and influences to push a final online campaign to save it, and also why you hear so many conflicting stories on what's being replaced. How that ends up is anyone's guess, many ways it could between multiple ride's fates
TrainsOfDisney
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Imagineering also “owns” muppets as an IP - and they are extremely passionate fans themselves.
Not that the higher ups truly care - but if they plan on using AC and muppets areas for the future either way - do AC first and keep muppets open until after another new area opens - that’s just the best for guests in Disneys smallest park.
I could multiple reasons they are trying to fight for the AC location - not sure what the real issue is to be honest.
Not that the higher ups truly care - but if they plan on using AC and muppets areas for the future either way - do AC first and keep muppets open until after another new area opens - that’s just the best for guests in Disneys smallest park.
I could multiple reasons they are trying to fight for the AC location - not sure what the real issue is to be honest.
The Leader of the Club
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I really think it’s Mermaid. They sank so much money into that new show, I’m sure they don’t want to relocate that or shutter it after a few years of operation.
TrainsOfDisney
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They wouldn’t have to - just put up a facade and they are done.
GravityFalls
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Could Bluey be coming to the Disney Junior soundstage at Animation Courtyard?
I could see a scenario where this is the plan, they had the meet n greet on the convention floor. Decided not to announce it, because if fans found out that Bluey is coming to the courtyard, then fans would also realize that Monsters is taking over the Muppet area.
I could see a scenario where this is the plan, they had the meet n greet on the convention floor. Decided not to announce it, because if fans found out that Bluey is coming to the courtyard, then fans would also realize that Monsters is taking over the Muppet area.
The Leader of the Club
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I think if they’d worked out a Bluey deal they would have announced it for the DCA Junior show at least.
GravityFalls
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This is a great point, that I didn't consider
Moth
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Legality issues along with Disney passing on theme parks rights and it not being offered since reportedly.
The Leader of the Club
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I legitimately just can’t fathom Disney thinking they could announce MuppetVision’s closure the day before Frank Oz becomes a Disney Legend. Or choosing to play Rainbow Connection when the panel ended. Like, how much salt can you rub in the wound Josh?
That would be like having Phylicia Rashad announce that everyone in the Honda center would receive a copy of Tom Sawyer.
That would be like having Phylicia Rashad announce that everyone in the Honda center would receive a copy of Tom Sawyer.
Chef idea Mickey`=
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This is so interesting read. I love the way you respond to my post with logic so I appreciate as how the inner workings is.
When I picture Monster's Inc, I picture it down somewhere East of Toy Story Land. Whether it takes over Animation Courtyard, I would be okay with that. The only thing that I love is the Walt Disney film and could someone tell me if they are considering guttering that or is that an important spot being kept and Voyage of The Little Mermaid show is going to be beside it. I think we are talking about behind it where Launch Bay is and current Disney Junior meet and greets! Would it extend more behind and maybe North West is possible.
Now replacing Muppets for Monster's Land I can see why the streets may be similar but when discussing the difference in scenarios with Cars taking on Frontierland vs this it's very hysterical because for one park they are saying that the land isn't bringing them money and people aren't going really Tom Sawyer Island and ROA meanwhile for Hollywood Studios they aren't saying the defunct wasteful side of Launch Bay and more areas to the North East is a missing part of the Park to fill it and therefore there isn't bringing money when Muppets is a working Exclusive Land from a Beloved Property even with parts of it not open it's working and people flock and love it for what it is. So I guess they view Muppets Courtyard the exact same way as Frontierland TSI and ROA but the other North East side of Hollywood Studios isn't underutilized matter.
TrainsOfDisney
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The real baffling part of Muppets Courtyard is the closed gift shop - anyone with basic retail knowledge could turn that into a gold mine.
A muppet meet and greet is another missed opportunity although puppeteers do get slightly more $ than costumed characters.
A muppet meet and greet is another missed opportunity although puppeteers do get slightly more $ than costumed characters.
Fox&Hound
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They used to have Kermit and Piggy as costumed characters back in the day. It was awesome!
Thanks phoenicians
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Has it been confirmed if Commissary lane would impacted if this goes to Muppets Courtyard? Muppets Courtyard itself is only roughly 2.5 acres, so if Star Tours and Commissary lane are untouched then I'm assuming they're planning to eat some of the parking area. Baseline, Sci-Fi and the commissary do seem like things they'd consider retheming in line with "new DHS" though. For reference, I'm just estimating Monsters will need around 6 acres.
CaptinEO
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I haven't been on the original version and I'd imagine most epcot visitors also haven't. The merchandise thats so popular of figment to this day doesn't make sense to me.You’re not wrong but somehow I still don’t care
Seriously…I think he’s a cool character that was made annoying by the current version of the ride that has overstayed its welcome. Here’s hoping for a positive change that keeps him in the fold.
TheDisneyParksfanC8
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Depending on how much USF attendance craters due to EU, it's entirely possible from speculation over on the IU forums that Pokemon could be fast tracked ahead of the 2030 debut. There have also been rumblings that Simpsons is closing earlier at USH before 2028.
CosmicDuck
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Not to continue off-topic but they would be absolutely insane not to immediately fast track Pokemon at both USF and USH immediately after opening EU.
The only reason people will be visiting USF after 2025 is if that's the only way to get into EU.
We bought a one day park hopper on our last trip and literally only ended up using it to ride Hogwarts Express at the end of the night before going home.
IMDREW
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Wouldn't placing this in AC gridlock their expansion possibilities? As I understand it, this concept was not planned for any large land, but just the ride and adjacent dining/shop. If they were to place it in AC, they would have to expand it a lot to make good use of the land OR plop that gravity building right in the middle of the expansion plot, canceling any other expansion possibilities over there.