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C33Mom

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Serpico Jones said:
I didn’t buy the pivot either. I also didn’t buy that she would follow the person who murdered Jecki and Yord.
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Yeah, I forgot about that aspect. She murdered Sol only to follow the guy who killed a lot of her friends and was planning to murder her sister for “betraying” him. IIRC, right up until that moment she was all about bringing Mae in to face justice as opposed to murdering her, and I think that’s what Osha episodes 1-7 would have done.

Aaaaanyway, I do agree that this criticism is in part “I don’t like how they chose to tell the story” more than objectively bad— but I would have liked to have seen at least a few hints of her having a temper or a scene about her grief/fury interfering with her Jedi training or even a subtle reference to it—whereas if Sol had turned and force chocked Mae or Qimir or even Vernestra to try and save Osha (or because they killed her) I would have been like “oh yeah, they’ve been hinting at this since Ep 1.”
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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C33Mom said:
I hear you but the pivot was extremely sudden—we were told about the anger and grief in the final minutes of the show, instead of being shown it gradually over time.
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Yea it just keeps happening. Time isn't used optimally in the majority of the D+ shows and I'm not sure why.
C33Mom said:
I also think she heard the least flattering possible version of the facts. As a litigator, it was painful to watch. I wanted to scream “tell her about what Mae said on the ship, and the witches possessing Kelnscca, and what Mother Korill said about dying before letting her go!”
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Exactly, it ends up a head scratcher instead of something interesting. I know there's a few here that thought it really worked. It just didn't work for me.
C33Mom said:
Also, are you sure it wasn’t the fire that killed the witches? I feel like that was open-ended.
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Agreed. Were they knocked out? Or did Indara get in their minds and kill them. I'd guess the shows intention was she killed them but it wasn't clear.

I also have not found a good answer as to why Bazil did what he did? I've watched a few times and I see no reason for him to disable the ship. It made little sense since earlier he was fighting Mae and wasn't at all friendly with her. So why let her get away now?
 
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MoonRakerSCM

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Came here to ask... one thing that is mentioned in review videos is that the protagonist and antagonist switch good to bad and bad to good.... like, on a dime. Reviewers mention it jokingly as 'for no apparent reason'... was it really that sudden and pointless? Some comments here seem to suggest so... sounds like amateurish writing.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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MisterPenguin said:
She snapped because she was lied to by the person she trusted the most, who killed her 'mom.' She also learned that it wasn't her sister who killed the rest of the witches with the fire she accidentally set. And we discover it was this gnawing anger and grief which kept her from becoming a Jedi.
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She also survived learning her sister was alive… and a murderer.. without really missing a beat.

I also felt the transition was rather abrupt and to kill… was a bit of a jump
 
Wendy Pleakley

Wendy Pleakley

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MoonRakerSCM said:
Came here to ask... one thing that is mentioned in review videos is that the protagonist and antagonist switch good to bad and bad to good.... like, on a dime. Reviewers mention it jokingly as 'for no apparent reason'... was it really that sudden and pointless? Some comments here seem to suggest so... sounds like amateurish writing.
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It was abrupt, but she also found out she'd been lied to and betrayed over the course of many years.

It was less abrupt perhaps than Anakin turning quickly because he was denied a promotion and needed to save his wife.
 
Tony the Tigger

Tony the Tigger

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Makes sense to me; she was furious in that moment. If she had waited, killing him would make less sense. Crime of passion. He had just admitted in front of her that he killed her mother and lied about her sister in a big way that altered their lives.

The hints were throughout she was a failed Jedi.

TV being TV, I half expected her to stop herself or be stopped - which made the killing more impactful.

We don’t know where this is going.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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Wendy Pleakley said:
It was less abrupt perhaps than Anakin turning quickly because he was denied a promotion and needed to save his wife.
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Don’t agree. Anakin had been struggling with his perception of denial and restraint for a long time before he finally snaps when palpatine fights back. I mean, the very position of palpatine being his mentor and significant person had been constructed and empowered by palpatine over time.

Anakin pivots to take a side… a side that had been coaching him and leading him to that moment. The windu fight is the climax where he is forced to make the choice.

Where as osha’s moment is more portrayed more as an emotional outrage/reaction act when confronted with inflammatory information.
 
Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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Wendy Pleakley said:
It was abrupt, but she also found out she'd been lied to and betrayed over the course of many years.

It was less abrupt perhaps than Anakin turning quickly because he was denied a promotion and needed to save his wife.
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I feel odd defending the prequels, but Anakin didn't turn on a dime, his internal struggle had been building for at least two films. He finally decided to takes sides when he walked in on Palpatine and Windu fighting.
 
Phroobar

Phroobar

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It's amazing the lengths people will go though to justify bad writing. It's like the show was written on the fly and not revised or edited along the way. It's like the writers where isolated from each other except in big idea planning meetings. I'm not sure where $180m went. I can see that money in Fall Out but not here.
 
erasure fan1

erasure fan1

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Tha Realest said:
Hey now, they just took what was once the most successful IP in history, gave it $180M, only to get less eyeballs than a Sherri Papini documentary that was produced for a fraction of the cost with hardly any marketing support.
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That's just it. I've seen in this thread people say shows with lesser ratings got a second season, so then this should too. This is star wars! In no world should a star wars show get beat by a show about collectables. Especially with a near 200mil budget. I see no way that Disney isn't completely disappointed with how this season ended up.
 
flynnibus

flynnibus

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BrianLo said:
I do not disagree that the situation was abrupt. But we are burying the lead that the inflammatory information was that he murdered her mother.
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I didn't bury it - but this wasn't the first murder in the mix... which is why I didn't focus on it. I mean I know it's relevant, but the conflict was more about the years of lying rather than the death of her mother at his hands IMHO. Remember, before this moment she blamed HER OWN SISTER for the death of her mother and even after learning Mae is still alive, AND MURDERING MORE PEOPLE in cold blood... she didn't want to kill Mae... and even struggled to even pin her down to be captured. So the killing of her mother wasn't enough to make Osha snap... but the betrayal of what she had been lead to believe and now hanging it all on sol as an individual.

My take on it... YMMV
 

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