Star Wars: The Acolyte

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s fully legit to think they fandom has changed in 40 years…for a variety of reasons

It was up to Disney to figure out how to manipulate that. And they had a template. They’ve just been unsuccessful
Possible that template doesn't work anymore for newer generations, which is why they are trying to find a new template. We'll see how it turns out now that they are moving into High Republic and other time periods and stories outside of the Skywalker saga.
 

Wendy Pleakley

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Wendy, I respect that you love The Last Jedi, and I’m not stopping anyone from enjoying it. However, if I could give The Last Jedi a score lower than zero, I would do it in a heartbeat. The movie still angers me even after 7 years. That’s just my opinion, and I might be in the minority.

Did I say I loved it? It had some issues, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I still think it unfairly gets a lot of flack for things that J.J. did - Rey's vague heritage, Luke in exile, etc.

If someone can write a good review why it deserves zero stars, they can have at it. I do think a lot of people just wield that as a tool to slam it aggressively.
 

MagicMouseFan

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Somehow put Han and Luke together in a movie set between ROTJ and TFA and everyone should be happy again. You can sense that with the deaging of Hamil in Mando and Ford in Indy5, it's what they're working on.
Star Wars needs characters that are as charismatic as Ford and Hamill, just electric on the screen together. Someone who chews up the screen and you can’t wait to watch them again.
Hard to find
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Somehow put Han and Luke together in a movie set between ROTJ and TFA and everyone should be happy again. You can sense that with the deaging of Hamil in Mando and Ford in Indy5, it's what they're working on.
That assumes they can get Harrison back for one more go at the character he literally asked them to kill off so he didn't have to play him anymore.
 

MagicMouseFan

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Did I say I loved it? It had some issues, but I enjoyed it for the most part. I still think it unfairly gets a lot of flack for things that J.J. did - Rey's vague heritage, Luke in exile, etc.

If someone can write a good review why it deserves zero stars, they can have at it. I do think a lot of people just wield that as a tool to slam it aggressively.
Review Title: A Deep Disappointment: The Mishandling of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi

Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆ (zero stars)

Review:

The Last Jedi’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker is a profound misstep that undermines the character’s legacy. Luke, once the epitome of hope and determination, is reduced to a disillusioned hermit who abandons his friends and the galaxy. This drastic transformation feels forced and inconsistent with his established persona. Even Mark Hamill, who has portrayed Luke for decades, expressed his dissatisfaction with this direction. The character’s arc in this film is a disservice to the rich, heroic legacy that fans have cherished, making The Last Jedi a significant disappointment.
 
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Disney Irish

Premium Member
Review Title: A Deep Disappointment: The Mishandling of Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi

Rating: ☆☆☆☆☆ (zero stars)

Review:

The Last Jedi’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker is a profound misstep that undermines the character’s legacy. Luke, once the epitome of hope and determination, is reduced to a disillusioned hermit who abandons his friends and the galaxy. This drastic transformation feels forced and inconsistent with his established persona. Even Mark Hamill, who has portrayed Luke for decades, expressed his dissatisfaction with this direction. The character’s arc in this film is a disservice to the rich, heroic legacy that fans have cherished, making The Last Jedi a significant disappointment.
Funny, you just posted a review that is exactly what I just touched upon in this post from a bit ago.

Well I am a Gen Xer, and I connect with Luke in all the films from OT to ST. Many just couldn't accept that their hero's get old and grow and that changes ones outlook on life, and that unfortunately sometimes means those hero's getting disillusioned about things. And yep you're right too many wanted the Luke that they built up in their mind, something that was impossible.
 

MagicMouseFan

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That assumes they can get Harrison back for one more go at the character he literally asked them to kill off so he didn't have to play him anymore.
Such a huge missed opportunity. Boyega and Ford had great chemistry, and seeing Ford and Hamill getting into trouble one more time would have been epic. If they had offered Ford $30 million for Episode 8, I bet he wouldn’t have said no.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
Possible that template doesn't work anymore for newer generations, which is why they are trying to find a new template. We'll see how it turns out now that they are moving into High Republic and other time periods and stories outside of the Skywalker saga.
I’m talking about MCU…it was right there

But you have to make great material

All roads lead home
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Such a huge missed opportunity. Boyega and Ford had great chemistry, and seeing Ford and Hamill getting into trouble one more time would have been epic. If they had offered Ford $30 million for Episode 8, I bet he wouldn’t have said no.
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being a paycheck player, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being about the paycheck, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
Because they were completely wrong

Are we gonna relitigate the common sense stuff too?
 

MagicMouseFan

Well-Known Member
Funny, you just posted a review that is exactly what I just touched upon in this post from a bit ago.
It wasn’t about Luke getting old or needing to be a superhero. The real issue my friends and I had with the film was how it portrayed Luke quitting on the Force, shutting himself away from the galaxy, and abandoning his friends and family. It wasn’t the idea of him going into hiding that bothered us; he could have gone into hiding while still preparing to train Rey and studying his new nemesis. The Force Awakens even hints that Skywalker was watching over Rey. The disappointment stemmed from how drastically his character was changed.
 

Sirwalterraleigh

Premium Member
It wasn’t about Luke getting old or needing to be a superhero. The real issue my friends and I had with the film was how it portrayed Luke quitting on the Force, shutting himself away from the galaxy, and abandoning his friends and family. It wasn’t the idea of him going into hiding that bothered us; he could have gone into hiding while still preparing to train Rey and studying his new nemesis. The Force Awakens even hints that Skywalker was watching over Rey. The disappointment stemmed from how drastically his character was changed.
And with a 5 second google search…you can hear Mark hamill hammer away at it
 

MagicMouseFan

Well-Known Member
When since he specifically asked JJ to kill Han, that seems pretty final to me. I know he is known in Hollywood for just being a paycheck player, but I doubt another paycheck would have brought him back again in this case.
He came back for ep.9 for a scene. Anyway, point is huge missed opportunity. Did Disney ask him back for 30 million and he said no? I don’t think anyone asked him to come back for ep. 8.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
Because they were completely wrong

Are we gonna relitigate the common sense stuff too?
You can argue this til the cows come home, and not disagreeing with you, but it still doesn't change the fact that the actor who made the character famous didn't and still doesn't want to play the character anymore.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
He came back for ep.9 for a scene. Anyway, point is huge missed opportunity. Did Disney ask him back for 30 million and he said no? I don’t think anyone asked him?
There has been recent interviews with him recounting the story about him asking to kill off Han. So yeah I'm pretty sure he is done with the character. I won't say "never" but it seems pretty final to me.
 

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