The Miscellaneous Thought Thread

[Disney Irish]

Don't tell Bob Iger, but Elon Musk just put on quite a show this evening across Southern California.

Reports coming in on X show an incredible Starlink launch just after sundown this evening on a SpaceX Falcon launching from Vandenburgh Space Force Base. It's trajectory was towards the Southern Hemisphere and so it went right over Disneyland too! But sure, let's keep Innoventions and the Starcade empty and closed for another five years...

You do realize Elon is not the only Billionaire producing rockets or plan to go to the Moon, Mars, and beyond.

For example Nasa last year selected Blue Origin's rocket to go to Mars. Blue Horizon is Jeff Bezos' company.

 

[TP2000]

You do realize Elon is not the only Billionaire producing rockets or plan to go to the Moon, Mars, and beyond.

For example Nasa last year selected Blue Horizon's rocket to go to Mars. Blue Horizon is Jeff Bezos' company.

Oh? Does he ever launch rockets over Disneyland from VSFB?

I'm an avid Amazon Prime fan, so I'd love to see the launch schedule.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh? Does he ever launch rockets over Disneyland from VSFB?

I'm an avid Amazon Prime fan, so I'd love to see the launch schedule.

They launch from Texas as far as I know, and its Mars mission is scheduled to launch I believe in August.

 

[TP2000]

They launch from Texas as far as I know, and its Mars mission is scheduled to launch I believe in August.

Pity.

I just Googled (do they have rockets too?), and it seems Blue Origin has only two (2) test launches scheduled for 2024. In August and December, both from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.

In calendar year 2024, SpaceX is launching over 70 different rockets (Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, Starship) from 3 locations. A couple dozen of the SpaceX launches left in '24 are from Vandenburgh Space Force Base, and will likely be seen from Disneyland. It appears there is another Vandeburgh launch of a SpaceX Starlink mission on a Falcon 9 later this month.

List of spaceflight launches in July–December 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Disney Irish]

Pity.

I just Googled (do they have rockets too?), and it seems Blue Origin has only two (2) test launches scheduled for 2024. In August and December, both from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station.

In calendar year 2024, SpaceX is launching over 70 different rockets (Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, Starship) from 3 locations. A couple dozen of the SpaceX launches left in '24 are from Vandenburgh Space Force Base, and will likely be seen from Disneyland. It appears there is another Vandeburgh launch of a SpaceX Starlink mission on a Falcon 9 later this month.

List of spaceflight launches in July–December 2024 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The point was that Elon and SpaceX isn’t the only one trying to innovate here for future space travel. Other companies are too and have partnered with NASA, which is important here as it’s going to be through competition that leads to space travel beyond Mars in our life time (well some of us anyways).

And back on TL, I’m actually thinking any future redo if its to show space travel shouldn’t be sponsored so as to have the most flexibly and not just be an advertisement.

 

[TP2000]

The point was that Elon and SpaceX isn’t the only one trying to innovate here for future space travel. Other companies are too and have partnered with NASA, which is important here as it’s going to be through competition that leads to space travel beyond Mars in our life time (well some of us anyways).

As I read tonight, the Bezos venture is nowhere near the consistency and profitability of SpaceX. But you are right in that free market capitalism will always be the most efficient way to deliver a service or consumer good.

The Space Race made sense 60 years ago, because we were in a fight with the godless and evil Soviets. And thank God that we won that race, not just in space in the 1960's, but everywhere by 1990.

That said, if I were going to pick a company to demonstrate success in space, SpaceX and their string of hits and highlights in the past decade would be my choice. I had to go to Google to learn about Blue Origin and the Bezos plan behind it; it's rarely talked about or mentioned. Probably because they don't shoot rockets into space twice per month like SpaceX.

And back on TL, I’m actually thinking any future redo if its to show space travel shouldn’t be sponsored so as to have the most flexibly and not just be an advertisement.

Walt would hate that. Why should Disney pay for everything when you could get SpaceX to help foot the bill? Just like the companies who helped pay for the last true New Tomorrowland; Coca-Cola, and Ma Bell, and Monsanto, and Goodyear, and General Electric, and McDonnell-Douglas, and Atlantic Richfield, and General Dynamics.

 

[TP2000]

Speaking of an optimistic future led by American free enterprise...

I've been meaning to share this find from YouTube. It's in black and white, and its silent, but the clarity is stunning. And the visuals of a visit to the New Tomorrowland on opening day in 1967 are almost surreal.

And who needs sound when as Disneyland geeks we already know all the Sherman Brothers corporate theme songs? Just hum along when you need to.

 

[Disney Irish]

As I read tonight, the Bezos venture is nowhere near the consistency and profitability of SpaceX. But you are right in that free market capitalism will always be the most efficient way to deliver a service or consumer good.

The Space Race made sense 60 years ago, because we were in a fight with the godless and evil Soviets. And thank God that we won that race, not just in space in the 1960's, but everywhere by 1990.

That said, if I were going to pick a company to demonstrate success in space, SpaceX and their string of hits and highlights in the past decade would be my choice. I had to go to Google to learn about Blue Origin and the Bezos plan behind it; it's rarely talked about or mentioned. Probably because they don't shoot rockets into space twice per month like SpaceX.

And yet NASA picked Blue Origin for its return to the Moon and for its mission to Mars.

NASA Selects Blue Origin as Second Artemis Lunar Lander Provider - NASA

To develop a human landing system for the agency’s Artemis V mission to the Moon, NASA has selected Blue Origin of Kent, Washington. Through Artemis, NASA will explore more of the Moon than ever before, uncovering more scientific discoveries, and preparing for future astronaut missions to Mars.

www.nasa.gov

NASA Awards Mars Science Mission Launch to Blue Origin’s New Glenn | Blue Origin

www.blueorigin.com

Anything that SpaceX is doing in their mission to the Moon and Mars is on their own I believe.

Walt would hate that. Why should Disney pay for everything when you could get SpaceX to help foot the bill? Just like the companies who helped pay for the last true New Tomorrowland; Coca-Cola, and Ma Bell, and Monsanto, and Goodyear, and General Electric, and McDonnell-Douglas, and Atlantic Richfield, and General Dynamics.

That was the early days of Disneyland. Disney rarely if ever uses any sponsors for any new attractions or lands at this point in this history.

 

[Consumer]

That was the early days of Disneyland. Disney rarely if ever uses any sponsors for any new attractions or lands at this point in this history.

Maybe they should. If they can get sponsorships they can spend less and therefore charge less for admission.

 

[CaptinEO]

That was the early days of Disneyland. Disney rarely if ever uses any sponsors for any new attractions or lands at this point in this history.

Wouldn't surprise me if their politics over the last few years has scared away advertisers.

As the poster above stated things were better when the attractions were sponsored.

 

[Disney Irish]

Maybe they should. If they can get sponsorships they can spend less and therefore charge less for admission.

Yeah, that would never happen. Plus I thought you were a free market guy.

 

[Consumer]

Yeah, that would never happen. Plus I thought you were a free market guy.

Is corporations willingly lowering their prices not part of the free market?

 

[Disney Irish]

Wouldn't surprise me if their politics over the last few years has scared away advertisers.

If any, they were quickly replaced by others. As I believe ad buys were either the same or above past years, something like $9B, but that was on the Studio side. Don't know the numbers for the Parks side, as I don't think they break them out.

As the poster above stated things were better when the attractions were sponsored.

Maybe from a certain point of view. But none the less even if attractions were sponsored today SpaceX is not likely to be picked.

 

[Disney Irish]

Is corporations willingly lowering their prices not part of the free market?

Only if the market dictates it, which doesn't appear to be the case at least at Disneyland.

 

[Consumer]

Only if the market dictates it, which doesn't appear to be the case at least at Disneyland.

As a member of the market, I dictate that Disneyland is overpriced and not worth my hard earned dollars.

 

[Disney Irish]

As a member of the market, I dictate that Disneyland is overpriced and not worth my hard earned dollars.

And Disney kindly accepts your opinion and says try a cheaper alternative elsewhere.

 

[CaptinEO]

If any, they were quickly replaced by others. As I believe ad buys were either the same or above past years, something like $9B, but that was on the Studio side. Don't know the numbers for the Parks side, as I don't think they break them out.

I don't know of any sponsored attractions in land. Maybe if FedEx still sponsored space mountain the intro blue lights would be in working order.

Sylvania used to sponsor Small World and the year they stopped is when it flooded and was closed for a month.

Energizer used to sponsor Star Tours but that ride has always been reliable.

Ziploc was sponsoring Splash mountain 4 months before it was declared a hateful piece of media by the company's CEO.

We need a sponsor for Rise, Indy, Cars, and Big Thunder, it will help with the maintenance budget.

Maybe from a certain point of view. But none the less even if attractions were sponsored today SpaceX is not likely to be picked.

Disney of the past wouldn't care but current Disney is more into politics than money/business. They'd rather lose out on sponsor money. Not that I think Elon wants to sponsor Disney anyways, but he used to be a frequent park visitor.

 

[Disney Irish]

I don't know of any sponsored attractions in land. Maybe if FedEx still sponsored space mountain the intro blue lights would be in working order.

Sylvania used to sponsor Small World and the year they stopped is when it flooded and was closed for a month.

Energizer used to sponsor Star Tours but that ride has always been reliable.

Ziploc was sponsoring Splash mountain 4 months before it was declared a hateful piece of media by the company's CEO.

We need a sponsor for Rise, Indy, Cars, and Big Thunder, it will help with the maintenance budget.

I believe Autopia is still sponsored by Honda. But even that is not some huge sponsorship as I don't believe Honda gives them any huge amount that resulted in some big update to the attraction. Otherwise if they did we'd have electric cars. But no we got some video in the queue and some basic ASIMO units out on the track in various scenes.

So even having a sponsor isn't some automatic means for getting something better. Outside of slapping their name on the attraction and some product placement companies don't seem to be willing to pony up the big bucks like they did back in the 50s and 60s.

Disney of the past wouldn't care but current Disney is more into politics than money/business. They'd rather lose out on sponsor money. Not that I think Elon wants to sponsor Disney anyways, but he used to be a frequent park visitor.

As mentioned earlier in the thread Disney is far from the only company that has dropped connections with Elon. Anyways politics aside, he isn't the only one working on stuff for space as I mentioned. If Disney is really wanting to do a whole space overhaul of TL and wants sponsors I'm pretty sure there are a number of space companies willing to sponsor attractions.

 

[Dear Prudence]

Hello, lads. I am having a lousy day, but I am hoping that you are all having a great first day of Spring! 🏵

I hoped that dressing like one of the Mad Tea Party Teacups would intrinsically just make it a good day, and, *narrator voice*, boy, was I wrong. Still, dressing up in Fantasyland colour schemes is never a bad idea, no matter how bad the day ends up being.

 

[mickEblu]

Sad to report Plaza Inn was not very good on my last trip. Pieces were very small and not juicy. Hopefully it was a fluke and not some cost cutting measure.