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[SpectreJordan]

Why not replace 3 Caballeros? It is an extremely weak attraction...a complete gut and redo with a Coco theme could be wonderful...and would be a perfect fit for the pavilion...The Pavilion doesn't need two attractions... Donald Duck is not Mexican.... and wouldn't it be cool if they took the Animatronic birds and put them on a balcony overlooking the Plaza in the pavilion...and every so often they would sing?... another show element to the overall pavilion...

3 Cabs isn't my favorite ride but it's a nice smaller ride that can disperse crowds a bit. I think the Mexican pavilion is popular enough where it could justify an expansion; especially since I don't think we'll be seeing any other countries anytime soon.

 

[mattpeto]

I thought the GFT conversion to Coco hinted from the Epcot experience was cancelled due to logistical issues.

I love Coco, it’s one of my favorite movies. But I’d be totally okay with that IP being beyond BTM, keeping GFT as-is and putting Mary Poppins spinner thing in UK.

 

[castlecake2.0]

I always thought the issue with replacing Grand Fiesta Tour is that you don't want to make it too popular because there if just nowhere to put any significant queue space...

Correct, the queue can barely handle a 10 minute wait before turning into an operational disaster.

 

[Kev1982]

I thought the GFT conversion to Coco hinted from the Epcot experience was cancelled due to logistical issues.

I love Coco, it’s one of my favorite movies. But I’d be totally okay with that IP being beyond BTM, keeping GFT as-is and putting Mary Poppins spinner thing in UK.

A bit more than a MP spinner though

 

[doctornick]

Coco would be a great fit for Epcot in Mexico but I feel like the park would benefit a lot more from expansion to other WS pavilions than spending money to change an existing ride.

Personally I’d rather see them add something between Germany and UK - like a Mary Poppins or Alice ride in UK or putting the Pinocchio ride in Italy. Or my ideal of doing a Matterhorn-esque Mt Fuji coaster in Japan.

Personally the only thing in Epcot that I would consider for replacement would be Imagination.

 

[BrianLo]

Personally the only thing in Epcot that I would consider for replacement would be Imagination.

If Turbocharging is the corporate dream these days, that does seem like the absolute lowest hanging fruit, across the entire resort.

 

[MisterPenguin]

If Turbocharging is the corporate dream these days, that does seem like the absolute lowest hanging fruit, across the entire resort.

Has the Nemo ride been so traumatic that you block it from your memory?

 

[BrianLo]

Has the Nemo ride been so traumatic that you block it from your memory?

I don’t think it would remotely move the needle in the same fashion. It’s a pre show to a pavilion, no matter how much they play with it.

A revamped Imagination (that was good) could sell ILL for a period. That’s corporate “turbocharging”.

Now is this where I admit that I actually find the attraction ‘ok’?

 

[castlecake2.0]

Coco would be a great fit for Epcot in Mexico but I feel like the park would benefit a lot more from expansion to other WS pavilions than spending money to change an existing ride.

Personally I’d rather see them add something between Germany and UK - like a Mary Poppins or Alice ride in UK or putting the Pinocchio ride in Italy. Or my ideal of doing a Matterhorn-esque Mt Fuji coaster in Japan.

Personally the only thing in Epcot that I would consider for replacement would be Imagination.

It seems like it would be somewhat “easy” to add some clones of Disneyland fantasyland rides to WS, like you said, Alice and Pinocchio seem like relatively cheap additions that don’t require much cast labor for daily operations and would help capacity in the park. I think former future world is fine for now, world Showcase needs more

 

[MisterPenguin]

Now is this where I admit that I actually find the attraction ‘ok’?

 

[BrianLo]

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These hot takes may be courtesy of the Franschhoek wine train.

 

[Bocabear]

Alice could possibly work in World Showplace context, but Mary Poppins was more culturally British (Bedknobs and Broomsticks was too)
Pinocchio while an Italian story felt more like a "European/German" fairytale in it's production...Not specifically Italian at all. Luca could do a better job of that. Snow White we attribute to Germany but like Pinocchio, it doesn't necessarily feel culturally German...maybe broadly European. Cinderella should be French, but the cartoon version feels decidedly English...
The newer fils are better at having a cultural feel like Coco, Mulan, Moana,BATB, etc...

 

[erasure fan1]

Coco would be a great fit for Epcot in Mexico but I feel like the park would benefit a lot more from expansion to other WS pavilions than spending money to change an existing ride.

Yea I agree with this and I think it holds true to the entire resort. Too many ride redos are one of the reasons the parks are in such a bad spot when it comes to capacity. They need to focus on new attractions, for the studios and animal kingdom especially. Once you have added proper capacity to all the parks, then you can throw in rethemes.

Personally the only thing in Epcot that I would consider for replacement would be Imagination.

I would add, not just Epcot, but everywhere. Imagination is such a joke, it should have been reworked years ago. The only other thing that I would consider redoing asap, would be the MK speedway.

 

[doctornick]

Has the Nemo ride been so traumatic that you block it from your memory?

Meh. Nemo isn't anything special, but it's perfectly fine and doesn't "need" to be replaced. Sure, with unlimited funds that could be on a list, but I'd replace Imagination, add something to WoL and add a bunch of rides to WS way before I'd even think about touching Nemo. The ride plus the aquarium (and Turtle Talk) still is a pretty decent experience for that corner of the park.

 

[EricsBiscuit]

Why not add a Coco ride to Mexico? There’s plenty of space to expand. Unfortunately, the current leadership doesn’t think big.

 

[Purduevian]

Why not add a Coco ride to Mexico? There’s plenty of space to expand. Unfortunately, the current leadership doesn’t think big.

I would rather them spread the rides out in WS... we only have 3 of them total right now with 2 of them already being next door neighbors.

 

[UNCgolf]

I don’t think it would remotely move the needle in the same fashion. It’s a pre show to a pavilion, no matter how much they play with it.

A revamped Imagination (that was good) could sell ILL for a period. That’s corporate “turbocharging”.

Now is this where I admit that I actually find the attraction ‘ok’?

This is what I was trying to point out to some people in another thread (or maybe earlier in this one?) -- the SeaCabs were never intended to function as an attraction the way Nemo does now. That space wasn't really designed to hold a separate attraction; it was simply part of the pavilion's overall concept.

I think Nemo is awful, and that space would actually be much better if they just uncovered the aquarium windows and let you ride it as it originally existed even without the overall undersea base concept (I won't waste my time riding Nemo again but I would probably ride the omnimover with aquarium views just to relax), but it's not going to move the needle much regardless.

They aren't going to be able to build any kind of major attraction there because the space isn't designed for it, and the aquarium itself is the main draw. While Nemo isn't really helping anything, it's also not hurting -- people generally go there for the aquarium and Turtle Talk (and often skip the Nemo ride entirely).

The pavilion itself is still pulling its weight; that's not the case for Imagination.

 

[Pi on my Cake]

This is what I was trying to point out to some people in another thread (or maybe earlier in this one?) -- the SeaCabs were never intended to function as an attraction the way Nemo does now. That space wasn't really designed to hold a separate attraction; it was simply part of the pavilion's overall concept.

I think Nemo is awful, and that space would actually be much better if they just uncovered the aquarium windows and let you ride it as it originally existed even without the overall undersea base concept (I won't waste my time riding Nemo again but I would probably ride the omnimover with aquarium views just to relax), but it's not going to move the needle much regardless.

They aren't going to be able to build any kind of major attraction there because the space isn't designed for it, and the aquarium itself is the main draw. While Nemo isn't really helping anything, it's also not hurting -- people generally go there for the aquarium and Turtle Talk (and often skip the Nemo ride entirely).

The pavilion itself is still pulling its weight; that's not the case for Imagination.

Alternatively while Nemo is far from perfect I'd argue that "filler" rides with high capacity, low lines, appeal to kids, eat crowds, aren't a big draw themselves, are good even if not great, and make use of underutilized spaces without cutting much if anything of substance are exactly what Disney needs more of. The fact that Epcot has rides like Nemo or 3 Cabs is exactly why it tends to be the most pleasant park to visit.

Sure I'd love an expanded experience, but there's not space to do much more. And even with Nemo not being the most popular, I can't imagine "the thing that they got rid of for being unpopular but now with less of a story" being a bigger draw.

Parks need relatively cheap filler B/C-Tickets to round out there line up and keep the park from feeling overcrowded. Epcot gets that. Which is why aside from Imagination (and I'd say Spaceship Earth is seeming pretty rough and could use good long refurb if not a new version) is the only thing there that really needs it. DAK and Studios need a good mix of new high capacity draws AND they desperately need low budget but still pretty decent filler like Nemo

 

[UNCgolf]

Alternatively while Nemo is far from perfect I'd argue that "filler" rides with high capacity, low lines, appeal to kids, eat crowds, aren't a big draw themselves, are good even if not great, and make use of underutilized spaces without cutting much if anything of substance are exactly what Disney needs more of. The fact that Epcot has rides like Nemo or 3 Cabs is exactly why it tends to be the most pleasant park to visit.

Sure I'd love an expanded experience, but there's not space to do much more. And even with Nemo not being the most popular, I can't imagine "the thing that they got rid of for being unpopular but now with less of a story" being a bigger draw.

Parks need relatively cheap filler B/C-Tickets to round out there line up and keep the park from feeling overcrowded. Epcot gets that. Which is why aside from Imagination (and I'd say Spaceship Earth is seeming pretty rough and could use good long refurb if not a new version) is the only thing there that really needs it. DAK and Studios need a good mix of new high capacity draws AND they desperately need low budget but still pretty decent filler like Nemo

I completely agree with this in general -- my main issue with Nemo is that the space's original form was better even without the full surrounding concept (which was one of WDI's masterpieces). Nemo is actually a worse experience than just just letting you look into the aquarium.

 

[seabreezept813]

Alternatively while Nemo is far from perfect I'd argue that "filler" rides with high capacity, low lines, appeal to kids, eat crowds, aren't a big draw themselves, are good even if not great, and make use of underutilized spaces without cutting much if anything of substance are exactly what Disney needs more of. The fact that Epcot has rides like Nemo or 3 Cabs is exactly why it tends to be the most pleasant park to visit.

Sure I'd love an expanded experience, but there's not space to do much more. And even with Nemo not being the most popular, I can't imagine "the thing that they got rid of for being unpopular but now with less of a story" being a bigger draw.

Parks need relatively cheap filler B/C-Tickets to round out there line up and keep the park from feeling overcrowded. Epcot gets that. Which is why aside from Imagination (and I'd say Spaceship Earth is seeming pretty rough and could use good long refurb if not a new version) is the only thing there that really needs it. DAK and Studios need a good mix of new high capacity draws AND they desperately need low budget but still pretty decent filler like Nemo

Agree x1000 here. Three Caballeros is fun, but it's excellent because you can just walk on and it feels like a bonus, especially after a visit to the margarita stands.