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News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom

WDWFREAK53

WDWFREAK53

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Rosso11 said:
I think this is the most likely IP if this all turns out to be true. I wouldn’t like it but I can absolutely see Iger pushing for it.

Edit: Ah that’s right Black Panther himself can’t be used since he is represented at Universal. Wakanda without Black Panther would be pretty dumb. So dumb Iger would probably do it.
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Yeah...that would be like building a Star Wars Land and making it so you can't have Darth Vader in it.
 
aladdin2007

aladdin2007

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Rosso11 said:
I think this is the most likely IP if this all turns out to be true. I wouldn’t like it but I can absolutely see Iger pushing for it.

Edit: Ah that’s right Black Panther himself can’t be used since he is represented at Universal. Wakanda without Black Panther would be pretty dumb. So dumb Iger would probably do it.
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agree but why was d'amaro mentioning it so much then awhile back....one cant help but wonder. If anything was ill fitting for MK it would certainly be that. And they seem to be doing everything the opposite of what they should be doing so I wouldn't put it past them in some form.
 
rd805

rd805

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aladdin2007 said:
agree but why was d'amaro mentioning it so much then awhile back....one cant help but wonder. If anything was ill fitting for MK it would certainly be that. And they seem to be doing everything the opposite of what they should be doing so I wouldn't put it past them in some form.
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Those early rumors were more Epcot based if i remember correctly. Wakanda = Tech, maybe a bridge to the former Futureworld. Also the WoL Pavilion has a weird semi-resemblance to Wakanda architecture. It was one of the older rumors I was almost able to wrap my head around lol.
 
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wdwfan4ver

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Roger_the_pianist said:
The mystery IP that won't fit in at MK is....

SPRINGFIELD.

They will just use cranes to get all of The Simpsons stuff from Universal over to beyond Big Thunder when that contract is up.

The new weenie for this area will be giant nuclear plant smokestacks and a massive Lard Lad on top of a donut shop.
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Disney may not have to wait till the end of the contract. Theme park stop mentioned rumors that Universal closing down Springfield before the end of contract with the closing being as early as later this year or next year. The problem is a time frame hasn't been set.

The rumor for USF is Springfield getting replaced by Pokemon. The only catch with the early closing Simpsons permanently is Lost content has no attraction at all.
 
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James Alucobond

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Basil of Baker Street said:
Exactly. Cars land doesn't fit but a speedway has been there since day 1? 😄 I would support a Cars land if the speedway goes with it.
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Cars as an attraction somewhere in the park is fine, but Magic Kingdom shouldn't have single-IP lands, in my opinion. Honestly, none of them should have it, but if they're going to keep doing that, containing the damage to Hollywood Studios is ideal (and Pandora, I guess).
 
yensidtlaw1969

yensidtlaw1969

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Basil of Baker Street said:
Exactly. Cars land doesn't fit but a speedway has been there since day 1? 😄 I would support a Cars land if the speedway goes with it.
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If TRON had been built behind Big Thunder people would be just as quick to say it doesn't fit. Not because it doesn't fit in MK, but because it doesn't fit in that part of MK.

Not particularly a fan of the Speedway myself, for the record. Disney could and should do much better by both that plot of land and the audience the Speedway serves.

Once again it seems to bear repeating, Cars Land is not in consideration for MK expansion.
 
neo999955

neo999955

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In the Parks
No
James Alucobond said:
Cars as an attraction somewhere in the park is fine, but Magic Kingdom shouldn't have single-IP lands, in my opinion. Honestly, none of them should have it, but if they're going to keep doing that, containing the damage to Hollywood Studios is ideal (and Pandora, I guess).
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I know a lot of people don't like, but I really enjoy a large single-IP land. They are often my favorite part of a park, because I love being that immersed. I agree it shouldn't be the only thing built or even the majority. But when done right, I think it's really special. I really love Galaxy's Edge and Pandora - even though I think both could use some extra investment/live entertainment.

When I visited Avengers land in Cali, I was supremely disappointed, however. Like anything, it's how you do it.
 
Coaster Lover

Coaster Lover

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In the Parks
No
Disney should make peace with Mel Brooks... then convert the Star Cruiser to "Space Balls", build a "Blazing Saddles" land behind Big Thunder Mountain, and a "Young Frankenstein" land in DHS to compete with Epic Universe's "Dark Universe" (yes, I realize that there are countless reasons why this will never happen and should never happen).
 
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Sectorkeeper71

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James Alucobond said:
Cars as an attraction somewhere in the park is fine, but Magic Kingdom shouldn't have single-IP lands, in my opinion. Honestly, none of them should have it, but if they're going to keep doing that, containing the damage to Hollywood Studios is ideal (and Pandora, I guess).
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Single IP lands should only work with very specific franchises imo. Things like Star Wars and Harry Potter are a no brainer because they’re cultural phenomenons. Even Toy Story and frozen have tons of staying power.

I’ve always argued with pandora that it shows that non IP lands could work to this day, because I don’t think avatar has that same cultural impact as the above. It’s popular because it’s well done, not because people have this love for the property like Star Wars or potter
 
UNCgolf

UNCgolf

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neo999955 said:
I know a lot of people don't like, but I really enjoy a large single-IP land. They are often my favorite part of a park, because I love being that immersed. I agree it shouldn't be the only thing built or even the majority. But when done right, I think it's really special. I really love Galaxy's Edge and Pandora - even though I think both could use some extra investment/live entertainment.

When I visited Avengers land in Cali, I was supremely disappointed, however. Like anything, it's how you do it.
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I think the problem with single IP lands is that there aren't that many IPs that are really conducive to one, especially from a business perspective. It needs to be popular enough for the IP itself to be a draw, but it also needs to have an interesting/unique setting that makes a whole land work. Plus, there needs to be enough in the IP to support multiple attractions, shops, and restaurants.

Harry Potter works there, and Star Wars kind of works (it's a bit weaker on the setting part, especially as built, but the props help a lot). Pandora is a bit iffy on the popularity part -- obviously the movies have been incredibly successful, but it doesn't seem to have that much cultural penetration beyond the movies themselves -- but the setting works on its own even without any interest or knowledge of the IP.

Avengers Campus fails on the setting part, and I don't know that an interesting way to build that land even exists. Seems like it would always feel kind of generic.
 
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Sectorkeeper71

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UNCgolf said:
I think the problem with single IP lands is that there aren't that many IPs that are really conducive to one, especially from a business perspective. It needs to be popular enough for the IP itself to be a draw, but it also needs to have an interesting/unique setting that makes a whole land work. Plus, there needs to be enough in the IP to ideally support multiple attractions, shops, and restaurants.

Harry Potter works there, and Star Wars kind of works (it's a bit weaker on the setting part, especially as built, but the props help a lot). Pandora is a bit iffy on the popularity part -- obviously the movies have been incredibly successful, but it doesn't seem to have that much cultural penetration beyond the movies themselves -- but the setting works on its own even without any interest or knowledge of the IP.

Avengers Campus fails on the setting part, and I don't know that an interesting way to build that land even exists. Seems like it would always feel kind of generic.
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I kinda like super hero island at universal in that it doesn’t try to have a realistic place setting, but comic book quirkiness. Granted Disney is trying to make lands based off their movie IP, but I think you’ll run into the issue with setting as you always said
 
Purduevian

Purduevian

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I wonder if all versions of black panther are off limits or just the king T'Challa version?

Like I'm not sure if Disney can use Iron Patriot even though Iron Man is off limits?
 
FigmentFan82

FigmentFan82

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Bocabear said:
Without Black Panther, Wakanda is kind of moot...It would be like having a ride in Cinderella's castle, but the ride features her unknown half sister Debbierella... I mean, What's the point?
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very true and probably why even if wakanda is a popular idea within WDI it wouldn't get far enough along to becoming a reality. many here have armchaired a wakanda outreach post where you learn about the customs, culture and tech of Wakanda could be a neat thing, but yeah, the real anchor would always be BP him/herself which currently can't happen
 

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