TalkingHead
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That hasn’t been a concern of the corporate brand for 35+ years. Hardly worth bringing up now.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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BuddyThomas
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Deserved nomination
TP2000
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Yeah, as I said earlier, all of that is just not my scene. For movies, or for anything really. But I'm glad it's available for adults who seek out or enjoy that sort of entertainment.
I hadn't even known about it until a popular LA radio station mentioned on Monday evening that the actresses on the Emmy's red carpet seemed suddenly very thin. Apparently a prescription for Ozempic is now mandatory if you live west of the Hollywood Freeway.
I'm looking forward to seeing the looks at the Oscars. That's another two months of prescription refills later, after all.
Are you kidding me???…completely two different type of films and different strategy rolloutsSorry it isn't my kind of movie.
I'll refer you to the parents guide and see if Walt would have been proud to release this in his studio.
Poor Things (2023) - Parents guide - IMDb
Poor Things (2023) - Parents guide and Certifications from around the world.www.imdb.com
Also the fact it made only $17m in six weeks. Even Wish made $63m in 8 weeks. No one is going to see it.
brideck
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This is probably because... and just hear me out here... it's not a horror movie. I'm not sure what would have given you that impression. I don't always fall back on Wikipedia, but it's described there as a "sci-fi black comedy," which is probably about as accurate as you can get for this. I'm not sure what you mean by "that kind of movie images" exactly, but I'd much rather have the largely joyful images from Poor Things in my mind over anything from schlockfests like Five Nights at Freddy's.
You also didn't really answer how it's a "bad" story. Saying something is not for you (without really knowing anything about it) and then falling back on the wisdom of the masses as an arbiter of goodness is not really doing it. Besides, if we're going to use tickets sold/eyeballs as some sort of measure of goodness that would mean that there are only something like 30 "good" movies in a given year, and for 2023 that would mean that at least 6 of the Disney releases that folks like to dunk on here would fall into that category.
That's a shame. If the real you is even a little bit like your online persona, I think you'd find it quite funny.
Advisable Joseph
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Here's a reminder that movies make money on much more than just box office
deadline.com
deadline.com
So losses aren't as cataclysmic as they may seem. The 3x rule is right out!
Also, Deadline's figures seem to only include the initial revenue for streaming video, etc. when comparing their results to researchers who looked at the actual finances of films, who saw much a higher total revenue to box office ratio, as discovered in:
I have to imagine lifetime stream revenue from Encanto must be truly massive, considering how much movies can make from streaming up front, apparently.
James Cameron Cuts The Net As King Of The World Wins Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament: The Data Behind The Dollars
James Cameron is king of the world again for winning Deadline's 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament with Avatar: The Way of Water.
deadline.com
‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question
In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.
deadline.com
So losses aren't as cataclysmic as they may seem. The 3x rule is right out!
Also, Deadline's figures seem to only include the initial revenue for streaming video, etc. when comparing their results to researchers who looked at the actual finances of films, who saw much a higher total revenue to box office ratio, as discovered in:
I have to imagine lifetime stream revenue from Encanto must be truly massive, considering how much movies can make from streaming up front, apparently.
tcool123
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Do we have any other information on the financials of the Disney 100 series that released throughout 2023? That would likely be a better benchmark for Soul than current releases not available on streaming.
Otherwise, we could look at the Fathom Events gross and see that their Classics series grossed 4.6 million over a year, or 383,000 a movie.
Otherwise other rerelease successes from 2023 would be Jurrasic Park (2.9 million), Hocus Pocus (3.2 millionish), Nightmare Before Christmas (7 millionish), Coraline (7 million), Return of the Jedi (7.2 million), Titantic (15 million).
Based on the limited knowledge we have it seems like rereleases definitely have a cap and most often don’t make more than a million unless you’re one of those select fee that broke though.
Otherwise, we could look at the Fathom Events gross and see that their Classics series grossed 4.6 million over a year, or 383,000 a movie.
Otherwise other rerelease successes from 2023 would be Jurrasic Park (2.9 million), Hocus Pocus (3.2 millionish), Nightmare Before Christmas (7 millionish), Coraline (7 million), Return of the Jedi (7.2 million), Titantic (15 million).
Based on the limited knowledge we have it seems like rereleases definitely have a cap and most often don’t make more than a million unless you’re one of those select fee that broke though.
Disstevefan1
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Here's a reminder that movies make money on much more than just box office
James Cameron Cuts The Net As King Of The World Wins Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament: The Data Behind The Dollars
James Cameron is king of the world again for winning Deadline's 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster Tournament with Avatar: The Way of Water.
‘Little Mermaid’ Swimming Against Strong Tides At Overseas Box Office, Leaving Break-Even In Question
In a rare situation for a Disney tentpole, particularly a live action title based on a treasured animated classic, 'The Little Mermaid' may lose money.
So losses aren't as cataclysmic as they may seem. The 3x rule is right out!
Also, Deadline's figures seem to only include the initial revenue for streaming video, etc. when comparing their results to researchers who looked at the actual finances of films, who saw much a higher total revenue to box office ratio, as discovered in:
I have to imagine lifetime stream revenue from Encanto must be truly massive, considering how much movies can make from streaming up front, apparently.
I agree. Given enough time, most Disney movies will bring in more money than they cost to make in market, when streaming, Blu ray, merch. income is included.
The industry must stop using the box office as the only measuring stick. Until the industry stops using this measuring stick, Disney will continue to "look" like losers.
Until the industry stops using this measuring stick , if Disney does not want to look like a loser, Disney must create movies that make money at the box office. It is possible, see Godzilla minus one.
In my opinion, Disney's problem is more about out of control budgets of their movies and not the content of their movies.
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Casper Gutman
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It isn’t a horror movie. It’s an art-house Oscar contender from a critically acclaimed director, which has always been handled differently than wide-release cheap horror slop like FNaF and Night Swim.
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Casper Gutman
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The industry does not use box office as the only measuring stick. Posters on the internet with no understanding of how Hollywood works use box office as the only measuring stick.
Casper Gutman
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Poor Things just got 11 Bafta nominations, second only to Oppenheimer at 13.
Disstevefan1
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One thing is for sure, Disney doesn't
Andrew C
You know what's funny?
Merch!!!
Disstevefan1
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Phroobar
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Hasbro seems to be going more online only with Hasbro Pulse for Star Wars, Marvel, Transformers, GI Joe, Nerf since nothing is moving or getting restocked at retail.
Casper Gutman
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On the topic of Baftas, Disney got the most nominations of any studio, 22 - one more than Uni. The fact doesn’t mean a whole lot for box office, but it certainly shows that the claims “Disney only produces garbage,” or “Disney is unique in not producing a varied slate of films,” are hysterical garbage.
TP2000
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I appreciate you explaining the reasons why Poor Things was labeled with MPAA warnings like "Gore" and "Disturbing Material" and "Graphic Nudity", but none of that is my scene for entertainment regardless of its context or humor attached.
My "online persona" is a funny line. I'm just me, checking in on the gang here and typing after a light lunch. My real life spoken language has a few saltier words sprinkled in, but I've learned to omit them when typing here because they just get auto deleted or censored by a moderator anyway.
Disstevefan1
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Disney does not produce garbage.
They produce movies that costs more to make and market than they bring in at the box office.
brideck
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My "online persona" is a funny line. I'm just me, checking in on the gang here and typing after a light lunch. My real life spoken language has a few saltier words sprinkled in, but I've learned to omit them when typing here because they just get auto deleted or censored by a moderator anyway.
Eh, I wouldn't use that term exclusively for you. We're all modified versions of who we are in real-life when we show up at a place like this, for better or worse.
Not worthy of its own post because its not Disney, but... I really hate how casually the term "bomb" is thrown around online in general, but if it's going to apply to anything that's in theaters right now that would be The Book of Clarence. It was supposed to open in the UK this weekend, but was just unceremoniously yanked completely off the release schedule there as of today, and it won't be long for our theaters either. Glad I'm going to check it out tonight.