Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

[BuddyThomas]

I’m Blowing Up Your Head Part 6: Stumpy’s Revenge

if you want to see How to Blow Up a Pipeline, that is a very good film:

 

[TP2000]

And this is part of the reason why The Numbers isn't used by most in the Industry, it doesn't track a lot of rereleases especially internationally.

Do you know where we can find the box office data for the eight re-releases that were part of the Disney 100 gimmick?

Unlike Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas, I can't find any evidence the eight Disney 100 movies even existed in US theaters in the last half of 2023 after the June press release about it, much less their box office tallies.

8 Fan-Favorite Movies Return to Theaters for Disney's 100th Anniversary: Full Schedule

Disney is commemorating its 100th anniversary with 100 days of movie magic. As part of the year-long Disney100 celebration, eight fan-favorite Disney movies will return to select theaters nationwide for special engagements: Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003), Toy Story...

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[TP2000]

But I would say give Poor Things a try at some point even with its description, you may find it has more in common with Valley of the Dolls than you think.

There is no gore, graphic nudity (or any nudity), or disturbing material in Valley Of The Dolls. It is an adult movie, and children shouldn't watch it for its adult themes, but it was not profane or obscene or gory.

I won't be seeing Poor Things because of the MPAA rating for it, as anything that gets an R rating in 2024 automatically raises a red flag for me. Then when the subject matter of Poor Things was further described and explained to me, I knew my instinct was correct to avoid it.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I won't be seeing Poor Things because of the MPAA rating for it, as anything that gets an R rating in 2024 automatically raises a red flag for me.

I want to ask this in the most respectful way possible… what is your issue with rated R movies?

 

[Disney Irish]

Do you know where we can find the box office data for the eight re-releases that were part of the Disney 100 gimmick?

Unlike Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas, I can't find any evidence the eight Disney 100 movies even existed in US theaters in the last half of 2023 after the June press release about it, much less their box office tallies.

8 Fan-Favorite Movies Return to Theaters for Disney's 100th Anniversary: Full Schedule

Disney is commemorating its 100th anniversary with 100 days of movie magic. As part of the year-long Disney100 celebration, eight fan-favorite Disney movies will return to select theaters nationwide for special engagements: Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003), Toy Story...

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If you noticed in the article that you yourself just posted, they didn't have wide releases in the US. They were released to 24 Cinemark theaters across 11 states. So they probably didn't do a whole lot of domestic box office.

However some of the international numbers are available on BoxofficeMojo, which is the industry used site and most accurate.

From what I can find here is the following international numbers -

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - Not reported​

Toy Story - $27.5M​

Frozen - $62.8M​

Beauty and the Beast - Not reported​

The Incredibles - $77k​

Coco - $151k​

The Lion King - Not reported​

Moana - $22.1M​

All totaling, at least from what is reported, ~$112.6M internationally.

 

[TP2000]

I want to ask this in the most respectful way possible… what is your issue with rated R movies?

I like some of them, at least back in the 20th century. But usually if a movie is rated R nowadays you are going to be subjected to bare bosoms bouncing around, profanity replacing adjectives in regular conversation, and/or blood and guts.

I'm not opposed to warfare or mild violence, as I enjoyed most of the Star Wars movies and some war epics. But the gratuitous sex I find distasteful, and gory violence and blood splattering everywhere just makes my stomach turn.

There's a few exceptions, but that's generally how it pans out for the past 20 years or so. I once was subjected by my nephew about 15 years ago to 10 minutes of a movie called Kill Bill, and it was horrific. Just not my scene at all.

 

[MagicHappens1971]

I like some of them, at least back in the 20th century. But usually if a movie is rated R nowadays you are going to be subjected to bare bosoms bouncing around, profanity replacing adjectives in regular conversation, and/or blood and guts.

I'm not opposed to warfare or mild violence, as I enjoyed most of the Star Wars movies and some war epics. But the gratuitous sex I find distasteful, and gory violence and blood splattering everywhere just makes my stomach turn.

There's a few exceptions, but that's generally how it pans out for the past 20 years or so. I once was subjected by my nephew about 15 years ago to 10 minutes of a movie called Kill Bill, and it was horrific. Just not my scene at all.

Ahh. Different strokes for different folks

 

[Disney Irish]

There is no gore, graphic nudity (or any nudity), or disturbing material in Valley Of The Dolls. It is an adult movie, and children shouldn't watch it for its adult themes, but it was not profane or obscene or gory.

I won't be seeing Poor Things because of the MPAA rating for it, as anything that gets an R rating in 2024 automatically raises a red flag for me. Then when the subject matter of Poor Things was further described and explained to me, I knew my instinct was correct to avoid it.

I like some of them, at least back in the 20th century. But usually if a movie is rated R nowadays you are going to be subjected to bare bosoms bouncing around, profanity replacing adjectives in regular conversation, and/or blood and guts.

I'm not opposed to warfare or mild violence, as I enjoyed most of the Star Wars movies and some war epics. But the gratuitous sex I find distasteful, and gory violence and blood splattering everywhere just makes my stomach turn.

There's a few exceptions, but that's generally how it pans out for the past 20 years or so. I once was subjected by my nephew about 15 years ago to 10 minutes of a movie called Kill Bill, and it was horrific. Just not my scene at all.

To each their own, but you have missed out on some of the truly great cinematic experiences of the last 30+ years.

 

[TP2000]

If you noticed in the article that you yourself just posted, they didn't have wide releases in the US. They were released to 24 Cinemark theaters across 11 states. So they probably didn't do a whole lot of domestic box office.

However some of the international numbers are available on BoxofficeMojo, which is the industry used site and most accurate.

From what I can find here is the following international numbers -

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl - Not reported​

Toy Story - $27.5M​

Frozen - $62.8M​

Beauty and the Beast - Not reported​

The Incredibles - $77k​

Coco - $151k​

The Lion King - Not reported​

Moana - $22.1M​

All totaling, at least from what is reported, ~$112.6M internationally.

Oh, so this wasn't a USA thing at all? Did the 24 theaters in the USA actually go through with it? I can't find any evidence they did. The Numbers will track a movie that's only in 2 theaters and released by some church or something that only makes $600 on one Friday night showing. But none of these Disney 100 films showed up at all in box office data.

Something tells me the concept was mostly scrapped, even overseas. Looking at that link, Moana did decent business but was only released in Australia and New Zealand. Frozen did the best at $63 Million, but almost all of it came from South Korea. I take it because it was the sing-along version and I think South Korea invented Karaoke?

So to answer the question posed by @tcool123, no the re-release of Soul in 1,350 theaters is not going to be able to be compared/contrasted against the Disney 100 re-releases. That Disney 100 thing was something that seemingly was abandoned by Burbank domestically, or purposely relegated only to a handful of foreign countries who had wildly varying box office reactions to the films that were actually released.

At this point, the re-release of Soul is most unflatteringly compared/contrasted to the re-releases in 2023 of Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas;

Hocus Pocus = $4.9 Million from 1,375 theaters
Nightmare Before Christmas = $10.2 Million from 1,650 theaters
Soul = $600,000 (and counting) from 1,350 theaters

 

[TP2000]

To each their own, but you have missed out on some of the truly great cinematic experiences of the last 30+ years.

Yes, I'm sure. But I have really enjoyed the truly great cinematic experiences I have seen, and look forward to whatever I might choose to see in 2024 and beyond.

This is like arguing which is better, pizza or cheeseburgers. Both are great, but liking one more than the other isn't wrong.

 

[Disney Irish]

Oh, so this wasn't a USA thing at all? Did the 24 theaters in the USA actually go through with it? I can't find any evidence they did. The Numbers will track a movie that's only in 2 theaters and released by some church or something that only makes $600 bucks on one Friday night showing. But none of these Disney 100 films showed up at all in box office data.

Something tells me the concept was mostly scrapped, even overseas. Looking at that link, Moana did decent business but was only released in Australia and New Zealand. Frozen did the best at $63 Million, but almost all of it came from South Korea. I take it because it was the sing-along version and I think South Korea invented Karaoke?

So to answer the question posed by @tcool123, no the re-release of Soul in 1,350 theaters is not going to be able to be compared/contrasted against the Disney 100 re-releases. That Disney 100 thing was something that seemingly was abandoned by Burbank domestically, or purposely relegated only to a handful of foreign countries who had wildly varying box office reactions to the films that were actually released.

At this point, the re-release of Soul is most unflatteringly compared/contrasted to the re-releases in 2023 of Hocus Pocus and Nightmare Before Christmas;

Hocus Pocus = $4.9 Million from 1,375 theaters
Nightmare Before Christmas = $10.2 Million from 1,650 theaters
Soul = $600,000 (and counting) from 1,350 theaters

Since 2 of the theaters are local to me I can say that yes they were released and did go through with it, I personally didn't go.

But you can see it right on Cinemark's site -

Disney100 Special Engagements for Everyone at Cinemark

Watch the magical return of 8 classic Disney and Pixar films with us at Cinemark as we celebrate Disney's 100th Anniversary.

www.cinemark.com

If it was cancelled it would have been removed. As for why they aren't being reported I have no idea, sometimes numbers just aren't reported.

 

[Disney Irish]

Yes, I'm sure. But I have really enjoyed the truly great cinematic experiences I have seen, and look forward to whatever I might choose to see in 2024 and beyond.

This is like arguing which is better, pizza or cheeseburgers. Both are great, but liking one more than the other isn't wrong.

No one claimed its wrong to not have watch them, nor is there any arguing over it. As I said to each their own.

 

[TP2000]

As for why they aren't being reported I have no idea.

Truly a mystery. If these movies did play in the 24 different US theaters that were announced in June, they weren't reported by any box office tracking website. How every odd.

Something tells me some of these Disney 100 re-released movies announced in June didn't actually appear in US theaters, even 24 of them, by September or October. And overseas they only showed in select countries, with varying results (Frozen re-release got $27,000 in the Netherlands, then disappeared...)

No wonder no one had mentioned this until @tcool123 brought it up. If you aren't Dutch, you didn't know it was happening.

 

[TP2000]

No one claimed its wrong to not have watch them, nor is there any arguing over it. As I said to each their own.

Your assertion is that I've missed out on something by not seeing movies with blood and gore and gratuitous sex scenes. I haven't missed out on that at all. I was in the service, so have seen my fair share of stressful medical situations. And I have bar tabs from the 20th century that prove I haven't missed out on anything romantically.

But going to see that kind of stuff in modern movies is something else, and it's not my scene at all. I like 'em light and fun in general, with fabulous wit. I've lost track of how many times I've watched my BluRay of Auntie Mame, for example. Not a swear word or bare bosom in sight, but deliciously intelligent and sophisticated and devilishly witty!

Pre-Covid, I saw Auntie Mame with friends up at the Egyptian Theater (they used to screen it every early December), with dinner and film discussion at Musso & Frank's afterward. It was a heavenly Hollywood evening!

 

[Disney Irish]

Truly a mystery. If these movies did play in the 24 different US theaters that were announced in June, they weren't reported by any box office tracking website. How every odd.

Something tells me some of these Disney 100 re-released movies announced in June didn't actually appear in US theaters, even 24 of them, by September or October. And overseas they only showed in select countries, with varying results (Frozen re-release got $27,000 in the Netherlands, then disappeared...)

No wonder no one had mentioned this until @tcool123 brought it up. If you aren't Dutch, you didn't know it was happening.

As I mentioned 2 of the theaters are local to me. I personally can say they were released as I have gone to both theaters during that time.

For example we know also for a fact that Moana was released as the Once Upon a Studio short was played in front of it.

The Walt Disney Studios

The Walt Disney Studios encompasses a collection of respected film studios, including Disney, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar Animation Studios, Lucasfilm, Marvel Studios, Searchlight Pictures, and 20th Century Studios.

www.disneystudios.com

 

[Disney Irish]

Your assertion is that I've missed out on something by not seeing movies with blood and gore and gratuitous sex scenes. I haven't missed out on that at all. I was in the service, so have seen my fair share of stressful medical situations. And I have bar tabs from the 20th century that prove I haven't missed out on anything romantically.

But going to see that kind of stuff in modern movies is something else, and it's not my scene at all. I like 'em light and fun in general, with fabulous wit. I've lost track of how many times I've watched my BluRay of Auntie Mame, for example. Not a swear word or bare bosom in sight, but deliciously intelligent and sophisticated and devilishly witty!

Pre-Covid, I saw Auntie Mame with friends up at the Egyptian Theater (they used to screen it every early December), with dinner and film discussion at Musso & Frank's afterward. It was a heavenly Hollywood evening!

In my opinion you have missed out on some great cinema.

If you don't feel the same way as they don't meet your criteria for great cinema, that is up to you. But there is no argument or any assertion that you wrong for having not seem them.

 

[brideck]

As I mentioned 2 of the theaters are local to me. I personally can say they were released as I have gone to both theaters during that time.

For example we know also for a fact that Moana was released as the Once Upon a Studio short was played in front of it.

The Walt Disney Studios

The Walt Disney Studios encompasses a collection of respected film studios, including Disney, Walt Disney Animation Studios, Pixar Animation Studios, Lucasfilm, Marvel Studios, Searchlight Pictures, and 20th Century Studios.

www.disneystudios.com

I think they're treated basically like any other special event, e.g. most things released through Fathom Events, like the annual Studio Ghibli Fest, etc. That sort of thing very rarely ever shows up in any of the domestic box office reports.

 

[TP2000]

I think they're treated basically like any other special event, e.g. most things released through Fathom Events, like the annual Studio Ghibli Fest, etc. That sort of thing very rarely ever shows up in any of the domestic box office reports.

But on The Numbers site those types of films are always counted on the daily box office report, although they often take an additional 18 to 24 hours to show up. And yet I can't find any of these Disney 100 films playing, or providing trackable box office figures, in the USA from July through October of 2023. What happened to them?

For example, here's The Numbers site for Monday, January 15th. It tracks dozens of movies down to the very bottom, with those religious films only playing in a dozen or so theaters nationwide and pulling in a few hundred bucks per day. But they still count, and still exist. Also, Barbie is still playing in 14 theaters and made 20 bucks on Monday, bless her heart.

The Numbers - Daily Box Office Chart for Monday January 15, 2024

Daily Domestic Box Office Chart for Monday January 15, 2024

www.the-numbers.com

 

[brideck]

In my opinion you have missed out on some great cinema.

For sure. We always tell the young people (10-15 year olds) in our lives that we can't wait until they're mature enough to start seeing R-rated stuff because that's what a lot of the best movies are. That is in no way me trying to be dismissive of the more family-friendly ratings or of all movies before 1968 (I'm here on a Disney forum for goodness' sake and love Rodgers and Hammerstein as much as the next 40-something does), but there are a lot of essential topics that just can't be done justice otherwise.

 

[brideck]

Not on The Numbers site. Those types of films are always counted on the daily box office report, although they often take an additional 18 to 24 hours to show up. And yet I can't find any of these Disney 100 films playing, or providing trackable box office figures, in the USA from July through October of 2023. What happened to them?

For example, here's The Numbers site for Monday, January 15th. It tracks dozens of movies down to the very bottom, with those religious films only playing in a dozen or so theaters nationwide and pulling in a few hundred bucks per day. But they still count, and still exist. Also, Barbie is stilly playing in 14 theaters and made 20 bucks on Monday, bless her heart.

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The ones you highlighted are just small current releases on the way out, though. All 3 played at least one AMC near me, sometimes for multiple weeks. All of that stuff definitely gets tracked.

I'm talking about things like the upcoming 85th anniversary re-release of The Wizard of Oz -- https://www.fathomevents.com/events/the-wizard-of-oz-85th-anniversary/

I don't think you'll see that one get reported, despite it playing at least 15 theaters just in my area alone.