James Alucobond
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Ah, sorry. Wasn't making connections from one post to the next. Topic-hopping more than usual today. Agreed on Nemo, though.
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News 'Beyond Big Thunder Mountain' Blue Sky concept revealed for Magic Kingdom
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UNCgolf
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No apology necessary!
I still don't understand why they thought it would be a good idea to just put up curtains over views into the aquarium. They could have at least done a Nemo ride that incorporated those windows.
Tha Realest
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The official Twitter account just said Encanto/Indy at DAK is being “considered”
MrPromey
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To be fair, we did get the Little Mermaid, too but you can be forgiven for forgetting that one since almost everyone else wants to or has.
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Mermaid is a decent attraction but it was just a carbon copy of what is at other parks with the same ride system as Haunted Mansion.To be fair, we did get the Little Mermaid, too but you can be forgiven for forgetting that one since almost everyone else wants to or has.
Nothing but an attraction that was rush into blueprints as a filler.
Walt Disney World deserves something special & unique.
Like when we got Everest Expedition back in 2006.
Us fans should be wowed & amazed!
Make us never second guess about not renewing our annual passes ever.
MrPromey
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Lots of attractions use or have used the same ride system as Haunted Mansion. Disney invented it and it's called an Omnimover.
The ride system wasn't the problem, the ride they used it in was.
Having said that, it was planned for here at the same time as DL's (development budget was split). Theirs just opened a little sooner and what they managed to get right over there is setting it up as a c-ticket attraction from the onset where as over here, they gave it a really impressive e-ticket exterior and queue.
I mean, there is plenty more wrong with it than that but all of that's easier to overlook out in Californa Adventure because of where and how it was established, there.
A part of me wonders if all these noncommittal big plans they supposedly have are just their way of dragging their feet until they see how Epic Universe is received so they have some idea of what they may need to pour into future development on their end.
I'm beginning to think we won't see outward signs of them getting serous about anything until after Universal's next park is fully online.
In the meantime, they can stall and delay with pretty concept art for things they're "thinking about".
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TP2000
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Egggg-zactly!
You can bet that very little of this actually has a budget, let alone a financial green light.
I'd bet again that the finance groups in Burbank and Orlando were watching the live stream with us...LAUGHING their tails off. I can see them texting each other:
"Look at that Joe,...these guys are crazy dreamers. There is no chance in Hell that we are going to sign off on ANY of that for 3 years...if at all!....Hahaha!!!"
This entire presentation was just to convince investors that everything at Disney is perfectly OK. It's there to make US feel that everything is fine. It's all smoke and mirrors. Disney will need to use careful wording like "what if" or "plans to" or "considering" because it's unfair to "promise" anything like this to actual investors using this information to make real investment decisions.
This is all just a mostly fake public relations hype attempt. Disney is not going to spend $1 on anything new until AFTER this massive HULU 10 billion dollar+ deal is fully financed and finished and Disney stops the hundreds of millions of dollars...per quarter,...every quarter....of financial bleeding.
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Henry Mystic
Author of "A Manor of Fact"
I’d kill for a Villains Land Card Land combo at MK.
That park would be unbelievably stacked then.
Model3 McQueen
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- In the Parks
- No
I'd rather Disney NOT commit to doing anything new or investing more under their current management. their changes tend to remove something that was well loved, and IMO replace with something inferior.
Not all, but most of it. IP synergy is their biggest priority.
Not all, but most of it. IP synergy is their biggest priority.
jmuboy
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Agreed - but Josh kept saying things like stuff coming “this decade “ so I feel like this Beyond Big Thunder is going to be like the 7 year build out ( announcement to opening ) we had with Pandora at DAK.
But at least that was worth it
lazyboy97o
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- Plans are always being developed on a variety of scales. Teasing what could be without interference is also a strategy used by all sorts of groups to remove regulatory barriers.
- Just because there are other factors that can and do kill projects doesn’t mean new ones cannot arise.
- The Disneyland Resort was not shut down out of spite specifically directed towards Disney.
bmr1591
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And from the sound of what Josh said, part of pitching blue sky concepts are the ability to have ‘a conversation’, aka get feedback from fans before things get locked in. Had reactions to last year’s blue sky plans been through the roof positive, we’d probably have heard an announcement on Dinoland’s closure this year. Instead, we get a different concept to hear people’s thoughts on. The reaction so far seems much more positive.
lazyboy97o
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Eh, that‘s more like pandering to the audience to save face on still not actually doing anything. If they really care about feedback they’d be working to actually improve capacity and continue to squander resources on redressing facilities.
cookiee_munster
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Sorry if this has already been said, but the only way a villains land could work (IMO) is if the entire land were indoors like Mermaid Lagoon at DisneySea.
Jrb1979
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My guess is also they don't have the money to do these big projects.
csmat99
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Actually you aren't far off. I know there has been rumors of Hotel/DVC directly connected to World showcase if there ever add another country but wouldn't surprise me if they had DVC hotel back into this new section.
Henry Mystic
Author of "A Manor of Fact"
If I was in charge this is what I'd do, assuming that IPs must be used, opening in three phases. Everything is to scale.
This is purely spitballing and to get an idea of how much room there is back there!
Firstly, I'd have the Haunted Mansion Restaurant, pictured below as Pinocchio Village Haus open alongside a nicer queue re-oriented on the side of the Mansion, shown below as Disneyland Paris' line for Phantom Manor. The queue being re-oriented allows for a much better managed queue space along with its beautification and of course, freeing up space for a walkway to a Villain's Land. This of course would also create a brilliant transition.
While this is being built, the infrastructure work for Beyond Big Thunder would commence.
I opted for two lands: Cars Land, serving as a flawless transition from Big Thunder Mountain and a happier counter to the darkness of a Villains Land, and because it is already one of the best lands ever made. While I'd love California Adventure to keep it as an exclusive, I'd much rather take a surefire hit than something mediocre. Going through rockwork/a tunnel leads to outside the Villains Land from there, providing a decent transition. Perhaps this could be phase 3.
Now, it's possible Disney is going full-blown Galaxy's Edge in scale for the Villains Land, but I honestly feel it could be effectively handled perhaps only being 10 or 15% larger than Diagon Alley at Universal Studios Florida so you could cram in more detail. I feel it should definitely open before whatever other land they put in the park if they decide to do multiple.
I figure, with an expansion of this size, realistically two headlining E-tickets are all we are going to get, but where the King's Cross Station is at Diagon Alley on the northside of the land, there's an easy expansion plot for a major ride or an opening day C-ticket.
Further, if Cars Land is used, the right side of it already has a walkway which leads to Pacific Wharf, now San Fransokyo Square. You'd only have to minorly shrink RoA and have this be the main walking path to the Villains Land and then Liberty Square beyond that. The train would have to be re-routed, however, likely cutting between the lands with Cars Land being outside of its perimeter and Villains being within it.
The only thing is the walkway leading to Cars Land from Tiana's Bayou Adventure might be difficult to pull off. Putting it to the right of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is an option too.
The Villains Land intrigues me the most. Now, Diagon Alley isn't as massive as Galaxy's Edge, but it's arguably the best-themed land in Orlando (I don't even think it's close). I felt it is a perfect land in tone for how Disney's land should be, and with Monsters Universe on the way at Epic Universe doubling down on this and is likely to be the park's best, they really do need to have a similar offering as a darker land like this is sorely lacking from Disney parks.
Diagon Alley is already largely covered and has Knockturn Alley. Its more reasonable footprint lends itself to that design. I say, why stop there? Just make the entire Villain's Land indoors. And rather than a Londonesque exterior that you stumble through to Diagon Alley, you could make it mischievous, perhaps to look like the side of a mountain.
The new Haunted Mansion queue and restaurant would be a perfect transition to the land as well!
And now, I'm not advocating for just copying and pasting Diagon obviously, but it could serve as a really good blueprint for how to go about this land.
In place of Escape From Gringotts I imagine should be a similarly thrilling dark ride, and a large-scale experience featuring either Maleficent or Chernabog. If it is Chernabog/Fantasia-themed, then I'd at least hope for a dragon walkthrough like DLP has for Maleficent.
And here's a list of Diagon Alley's shops! Everything from an ice cream parlor to a candy store is featured. Importantly, the kinetics in each window and the whimsicalness of the land's design are very effective.
Here are some things Diagon Alley has equivalents of and imagine it would be fantastic at MK too. Just letting you know, that I'm not selecting names, just ideas for what they could be. There's quite a lot to work with under the overarching theme of Disney Villains. Diagon Alley has even more individual places to explore than I am going to mention as well, so I think this is actually quite realistic.
And now, I don't think they should only be selling merch/food from these specific properties, but that the shops themselves are just themed to said IP.
Candy Store = The Poison Apple from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, themed to the Evil Queen.
Toy Store = A Toy Story Shop, perhaps with many of Sid's horrifying creations (but without featuring Sid). You could also have a second store themed to Making Christmas from the Nightmare Before Christmas.
Butterbeer Cart = Some unique beverage stand from Dr. Facilier from The Princess and the Frog.
Quick-Service Restaurant = Queen of Hearts Banquet Hall or perhaps a Headless Horseman Tavern (I'd put Gaston but he already has representation in New Fantasyland).
Ice Cream = Heffalumps and Woozles from Winnie the Pooh.
General Merch = Big Bad Wolf Shop, perhaps outside the land on the pathway around RoA appearing as his house, maybe with a back entrance into the land, serving as an alternative to the main entrance.
Very Unique Clothing Store = Cruella de Vil's, perhaps it could also sell Halloween costumes.
Jafar, Ursula, Captain Hook, Judge Frollo, Scar, Mother Gothel, and even Gaston also definitely need representation.
Some other additions I think would be great.
Diagon Alley has an indoor Butterbeer shop, but I say for a Villains Land go even further and make it like an Oogie Boogie Gamblin' Bar. I'm thinking more like Trader Sam's than Oga's Cantina, but obviously much larger, with an Oogie Boogie Animatronic in the center and a fair share of blacklight and chaos throughout.
And finally, if this land only opens with one land, I feel a small-scaled show (but infinitely better themed and executed) like an American Idol Experience or Stitch's Great Escape could be a good idea. Honestly, why not theme it to a Hades, Pain, and Panic Comedy Show, the levity provided with some dark humor sprinkled throughout could be very fun!
If it opens with two rides, I'd kill for a Nightmare Before Christmas Trackless Ride or even an Arabian Nights Coaster with Jafar.
There are very few things I feel an overabundance of IPs would be amazing for, but THIS is one of them.
There's so much lore to explore. Halloween has one of the coolest aesthetics there is, and man would I kill for a land like this. Even if it takes 6-7 years for it to open, the fact that a massive land themed to Villains is really in the pipeline just has me so excited. It's an infinitely better concept than just throwing Encanto and Coco there and calling it a day, and I'm glad it has seemingly taken priority despite the
This is purely spitballing and to get an idea of how much room there is back there!
Firstly, I'd have the Haunted Mansion Restaurant, pictured below as Pinocchio Village Haus open alongside a nicer queue re-oriented on the side of the Mansion, shown below as Disneyland Paris' line for Phantom Manor. The queue being re-oriented allows for a much better managed queue space along with its beautification and of course, freeing up space for a walkway to a Villain's Land. This of course would also create a brilliant transition.
While this is being built, the infrastructure work for Beyond Big Thunder would commence.
I opted for two lands: Cars Land, serving as a flawless transition from Big Thunder Mountain and a happier counter to the darkness of a Villains Land, and because it is already one of the best lands ever made. While I'd love California Adventure to keep it as an exclusive, I'd much rather take a surefire hit than something mediocre. Going through rockwork/a tunnel leads to outside the Villains Land from there, providing a decent transition. Perhaps this could be phase 3.
Now, it's possible Disney is going full-blown Galaxy's Edge in scale for the Villains Land, but I honestly feel it could be effectively handled perhaps only being 10 or 15% larger than Diagon Alley at Universal Studios Florida so you could cram in more detail. I feel it should definitely open before whatever other land they put in the park if they decide to do multiple.
I figure, with an expansion of this size, realistically two headlining E-tickets are all we are going to get, but where the King's Cross Station is at Diagon Alley on the northside of the land, there's an easy expansion plot for a major ride or an opening day C-ticket.
Further, if Cars Land is used, the right side of it already has a walkway which leads to Pacific Wharf, now San Fransokyo Square. You'd only have to minorly shrink RoA and have this be the main walking path to the Villains Land and then Liberty Square beyond that. The train would have to be re-routed, however, likely cutting between the lands with Cars Land being outside of its perimeter and Villains being within it.
The only thing is the walkway leading to Cars Land from Tiana's Bayou Adventure might be difficult to pull off. Putting it to the right of Big Thunder Mountain Railroad is an option too.
The Villains Land intrigues me the most. Now, Diagon Alley isn't as massive as Galaxy's Edge, but it's arguably the best-themed land in Orlando (I don't even think it's close). I felt it is a perfect land in tone for how Disney's land should be, and with Monsters Universe on the way at Epic Universe doubling down on this and is likely to be the park's best, they really do need to have a similar offering as a darker land like this is sorely lacking from Disney parks.
Diagon Alley is already largely covered and has Knockturn Alley. Its more reasonable footprint lends itself to that design. I say, why stop there? Just make the entire Villain's Land indoors. And rather than a Londonesque exterior that you stumble through to Diagon Alley, you could make it mischievous, perhaps to look like the side of a mountain.
The new Haunted Mansion queue and restaurant would be a perfect transition to the land as well!
And now, I'm not advocating for just copying and pasting Diagon obviously, but it could serve as a really good blueprint for how to go about this land.
In place of Escape From Gringotts I imagine should be a similarly thrilling dark ride, and a large-scale experience featuring either Maleficent or Chernabog. If it is Chernabog/Fantasia-themed, then I'd at least hope for a dragon walkthrough like DLP has for Maleficent.
And here's a list of Diagon Alley's shops! Everything from an ice cream parlor to a candy store is featured. Importantly, the kinetics in each window and the whimsicalness of the land's design are very effective.
Here are some things Diagon Alley has equivalents of and imagine it would be fantastic at MK too. Just letting you know, that I'm not selecting names, just ideas for what they could be. There's quite a lot to work with under the overarching theme of Disney Villains. Diagon Alley has even more individual places to explore than I am going to mention as well, so I think this is actually quite realistic.
And now, I don't think they should only be selling merch/food from these specific properties, but that the shops themselves are just themed to said IP.
Candy Store = The Poison Apple from Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs, themed to the Evil Queen.
Toy Store = A Toy Story Shop, perhaps with many of Sid's horrifying creations (but without featuring Sid). You could also have a second store themed to Making Christmas from the Nightmare Before Christmas.
Butterbeer Cart = Some unique beverage stand from Dr. Facilier from The Princess and the Frog.
Quick-Service Restaurant = Queen of Hearts Banquet Hall or perhaps a Headless Horseman Tavern (I'd put Gaston but he already has representation in New Fantasyland).
Ice Cream = Heffalumps and Woozles from Winnie the Pooh.
General Merch = Big Bad Wolf Shop, perhaps outside the land on the pathway around RoA appearing as his house, maybe with a back entrance into the land, serving as an alternative to the main entrance.
Very Unique Clothing Store = Cruella de Vil's, perhaps it could also sell Halloween costumes.
Jafar, Ursula, Captain Hook, Judge Frollo, Scar, Mother Gothel, and even Gaston also definitely need representation.
Some other additions I think would be great.
Diagon Alley has an indoor Butterbeer shop, but I say for a Villains Land go even further and make it like an Oogie Boogie Gamblin' Bar. I'm thinking more like Trader Sam's than Oga's Cantina, but obviously much larger, with an Oogie Boogie Animatronic in the center and a fair share of blacklight and chaos throughout.
And finally, if this land only opens with one land, I feel a small-scaled show (but infinitely better themed and executed) like an American Idol Experience or Stitch's Great Escape could be a good idea. Honestly, why not theme it to a Hades, Pain, and Panic Comedy Show, the levity provided with some dark humor sprinkled throughout could be very fun!
If it opens with two rides, I'd kill for a Nightmare Before Christmas Trackless Ride or even an Arabian Nights Coaster with Jafar.
There are very few things I feel an overabundance of IPs would be amazing for, but THIS is one of them.
There's so much lore to explore. Halloween has one of the coolest aesthetics there is, and man would I kill for a land like this. Even if it takes 6-7 years for it to open, the fact that a massive land themed to Villains is really in the pipeline just has me so excited. It's an infinitely better concept than just throwing Encanto and Coco there and calling it a day, and I'm glad it has seemingly taken priority despite the
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James Alucobond
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^ Please no on Carsland. I wouldn’t mind seeing it show up at Hollywood Studios, but I really like that Magic Kingdom is still free of IP-locked lands.
Door Coaster
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Decent map. FYI though I made a map based mostly off the 2022 announcement art and ToTBellhop-dirived info:
Note - since then it would appear that either Villains will be larger or a new IP will be moving in to replace Encanto since that's now going to DAK.