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EPCOT Figment, well, to be replaced by Figment
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aladdin2007
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Its just unbelievable they will do this but not the actual attraction, price difference of course. but still. Attractions come last now and food/merch come first.
Phil12
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Well, ya know people have to eat. Poor Dreamfinder fell on hard times (since he was often thought of as a dirty old man at Epcot). He's doing his best to rehabilitate his image and he took a job with Cicis Pizza:
UNCgolf
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Cosmic Rewind isn't great to me. Both Spaceship Earth and original Imagination are better attractions (as well as some other original EPCOT attractions).
I'm not a big coaster person, though. I don't hate them, but sheer physical thrill doesn't do that much for me without something more involved. Cosmic Rewind mostly fails on the promise of being something more than just a coaster.
That's not to suggest it's a bad attraction (it's certainly not bad); it just doesn't really do what they claimed it would do. It's essentially just a roller coaster with music. Not really special or a Disney design highlight for me.
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Figment - The show pony of Epcot. "Trot out the show pony, he'll produce!" - Ron White
Haven't been on Hagrid's yet. But knowing the masterpiece that was the original JII... yes, yes I would disagree.
Since you're going back and editing your original posts... CR isn't "an exceptional world-class ride". It's a good coaster that completely loses its story after launch. I'd rather ride RnRC.
pdude81
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Dude it's an opinion. I also think that while Hagrid's is great, I prefer the original JII.This is a really bad take.
For one, RnRC is a weak off-the-shelf coaster that bangs your head up while being half the length of Guardians (without the massive projections and incredibly unique ways the vehicle maneuvers). On the other hand, Hagrid’s is pretty universally considered to be the best (or amongst the best) themed coasters ever made.
Any other rides that OG Figment is superior over? Indy? Shanghai Pirates? JTTCOTE? DLP’s Pirates? Rise? RSR? FoP? VelociCoaster? Mystic Manor? GMR? Tot? Splash? HM?
I mean, just because something is a classic doesn’t mean things can’t have been made better since then. It was a great ride (that never should have been removed), but if Figment was legitimately the best ride at EPCOT today we’d be in an even worse spot than we are now IMO.
I diverge on RNRC
UNCgolf
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Definitely better than FoP and Velocicoaster; that's easy. The rest are more arguable, although I'd probably take it over several on the list.
UNCgolf
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There is a difference, but what someone personally enjoys is also a major factor into what makes for a great ride for them. If someone doesn't enjoy dark rides, then even ones as good as attractions like Spaceship Earth and Haunted Mansion aren't going to move the needle for them. They wouldn't be wrong to think Slinky Dog Dash is a better ride because it's too subjective.
owlsandcoffee
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One random anecdote I can share is that I talked to a random customer at my work who went to Disney and when I asked what their favorite ride at WDW was they said Guardians at EPCOT. I guess my point is that just because we don't all love it doesn't mean it's not a major major draw right now.
UNCgolf
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Oh it's a huge draw and plenty of people think it's the best ride ever. People love roller coasters -- there are a lot of people who would say one of the coasters somewhere like Cedar Point is the best ride in the world too.
I don't agree with them (or think Guardians is even remotely near the conversation of best attraction at WDW right now, much less ever), but they're not wrong to think that. People like different things.
James Alucobond
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One of my friends who went recently had the exact same assessment of Cosmic Rewind. For me, it’s probably going to be one-and-done, but it definitely attracts some subset of visitors. I just feel it still would have done that even if they’d made it thematically fit a bit better.
UNCgolf
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Which is unfortunate. That scenario sort of reminds me of people who refuse to watch horror films and prefer comedies, or people who only watch action/superhero films and cast aside musicals, etc.
There’s nothing wrong with preferences (you wouldn’t take a toddler on Tot for instance just like you wouldn’t take them to see Saving Private Ryan), but I think as a forum, we’re obviously very in-tune with themed design as an art form and more appreciative of all types (walkthroughs, coasters, etc.)
There’s a lot of great stuff in every genre so it’s a shame to cast one type out, which is why I think it’s not tactful to go recommending people what style of ride personally suits you when we’re comparing rides; it just makes everything even harder to discuss . When gauging what art is amongst the best and should be recommended to be watched/experienced I think it’s best that people rating art cast aside their prejudices unless we’re talking about them specifically versus broad general statements.
I’m not saying that that’s what happens, only that it’s what everyone should strive to do.
Speaking for my parents, they get sick on simulators or sceen-based rides, but will still admit that Forbidden Journey was phenomenal, just not for them.
On that note, I think anyone that appreciates themed design that’s familiar with Journey Into Imagination would accept the idea that it was amongst Disney’s best rides ever when it was made and would likely still be a great ride today if it received proper updates since its bones were so good.
That being said, (trying to cast my personal feeling aside) I still don’t think it would top some of the newer large-scale ‘elite’ rides in Orlando like Hagrid’s, Cosmic Rewind, or Rise, and I don’t think it’s close. And that’s okay, but you’re free to disagree with me obviously.
Though the RnRC is better than Guardians comment someone made is blasphemy
RnRC better than Guardians does seem strange to me, as someone who's obviously not a huge fan of Guardians. I guess RnRC is more intense, so maybe that's why? Otherwise it seems like Guardians is just a better version of a coaster with music.
Forbidden Journey is interesting, because I was really disappointed in that attraction. The simulator portions weren't very good to me. I'm admittedly not a big fan of simulators and they generally don't work well as an immersive experience for me anyways, but I think a big part of the FJ problem is that it was just flying on a broom around somewhere we've already seen on film numerous times. It's also just kind of grey and gloomy -- it's not visually impressive the way Flight of Passage is, which I do enjoy.
The non-simulator parts of FJ were better, but there weren't enough of them IMO. I think the ride system is an issue too, in that it's just not that pleasant to ride because it tosses you around in a jerky manner so much.
I do wonder how my reaction to FJ would have differed if I'd gone into without high expectations, though, after hearing it praised as the best attraction ever built. It just didn't come near that for me on my first ride, and then on my second when giving it another shot I got horrendous motion sickness (after having no issues on the first ride) -- I didn't enjoy it enough the first time to bother riding it a third after the motion sickness.
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Cmdr_Crimson
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Can we just appreciate hearing not just Figment But, DREAMFINDER is loud and proudly heard within the confines of Epcot!!! 
Brer Oswald
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CR is definitely a better coaster than RnRC. But aside from it being a fun coaster, there isn’t much to it. The story is ridiculously bad and there’s little to no set pieces to marvel at. It’s no masterpiece.
Hagrid’s on the other hand is quite great beyond it’s coaster track.
Brer Oswald
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Can we just appreciate hearing not just Figment But, DREAMFINDER is loud and proudly heard within the confines of Epcot!!!
This is cute. Can they give me the ride now?
999th Happy Haunt
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Can we just appreciate hearing not just Figment But, DREAMFINDER is loud and proudly heard within the confines of Epcot!!!
That’s nice for fans, but borderline insulting right? Play the music and hopefully the fanboys will forget that the ride has been rotting for longer than the original has ever existed with no apparent plans for an update.
aladdin2007
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super nice, but a super slap in the face at the same time. spend millions on a giant buddha of moana and her gardens that should have gone to AK, and let actual existing attractions rot.
FigmentJedi
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If the guy from the Festival thread is to be believed, the huge Figment push this year with the Odyssey retheme is Disney gauging interest and testing the waters to give a WDI "Figment Team" the go ahead to do something more substantial