MrPromey
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For what it's worth, that seemed like a pretty good day to be in Animal Kingdom by today's standards.May 28, 2014 is when it got bad.
For what it's worth, that seemed like a pretty good day to be in Animal Kingdom by today's standards.May 28, 2014 is when it got bad.
That was the logic that led to New Fantasyland. But the way it's played out is that for every X increase in capacity, there is a >X increase in demand. New stuff doesn't alleviate crowding, it makes crowding worse.
I mean. Marketing gonna market.What makes things worse is new stuff they market the hell out of.
I remember seeing the commercial for 7DMT playing ZZ-top non-stop and those stupid gifs of the dwarfs in sunglasses followed me everywhere online.
As I've mentioned before, they had a Super Bowl commercial for Toy Story Land and that amounted to a b-c ticket and c-d ticket attached to a newly facing entrance for pre-existing Midway Mania.
No doubt but these are the people that made a special drink to "celebrate" the purple wall.I mean. Marketing gonna market.
That was the logic that led to New Fantasyland. But the way it's played out is that for every X increase in capacity, there is a >X increase in demand. New stuff doesn't alleviate crowding, it makes crowding worse.
It's why they need to follow regional parks playbook of how to market new attractions.May 28, 2014 is when it got bad.
That was the logic that led to New Fantasyland. But the way it's played out is that for every X increase in capacity, there is a >X increase in demand. New stuff doesn't alleviate crowding, it makes crowding worse.
Good questions: (and I could really rock the boat here by telling you that there are some salary positions that actually do get overtime, That is an entirely different conversation.)I still don't get how what you're describing is "hybrid".
Your third bucket is literally how any hourly job I've ever worked in my life goes. All of my raises, hourly or salary have been merit-based.
I realize that a big chunk of hourly cast at Disney are union but most hourly employees in Florida are not.
What you're describing is not a hybrid position. It's literally life as an hourly employee for any non-union employee.
Maybe Disney calls it hybrid internally but nobody outside Disney would.
Maybe that's where the confusion is here - because non-union hourly employees at Disney are less common but are by far the norm everywhere else around here.
Disney welcomed in the unions when they first set up shop in Florida which was and still is unusual in this state - I bet they've been regretting that move for quite a few years, now.
bingoIt doesn't tell you which attraction to pick.
Next available Splash Mountain is at 4pm and I'm in Tomorrowland at noon? Cool, I'll take the 1:00 Buzz.
New Fantasyland was never going to push the park up to adequate capacity. There was still going to be a deficit even if visitation was flat. It also didn’t address other areas of capacity. Even with adding Be Our Guest and Skipper Canteen, the Magic Kingdom still has less dining capacity today than 30 years ago. A couple of rides, restaurant and small shop was never close to enough to make up the gap.That was the logic that led to New Fantasyland. But the way it's played out is that for every X increase in capacity, there is a >X increase in demand. New stuff doesn't alleviate crowding, it makes crowding worse.
Magic Kingdom's primary issue isn't "stuff to do" or even "stuff to eat," it's "square footage to move your body freely."New Fantasyland was never going to push the park up to adequate capacity. There was still going to be a deficit even if visitation was flat. It also didn’t address other areas of capacity. Even with adding Be Our Guest and Skipper Canteen, the Magic Kingdom still has less dining capacity today than 30 years ago. A couple of rides, restaurant and small shop was never close to enough to make up the gap.
Giving people stuff to do provides square footage. Not pushing people into virtual queue systems also frees up space.Magic Kingdom's primary issue isn't "stuff to do" or even "stuff to eat," it's "square footage to move your body freely."
Amen, sister.Not pushing people into virtual queue systems also frees up space.
This is a claim that gets repeated here but I've never seen any solid supporting evidence.
If you look at the numbers, it appears that demand increases steadily regardless if new attractions are opened, so it would be even worse if they didn't keep adding new attractions.
I think Disney has realized this which is why they've gone on a relative building spree. That also supports the idea that building attractions helps to some extent or Disney wouldn't have wasted the money to do it -- they certainly didn't need to add a bunch of attractions to keep attendance growing.
Just to give an idea, here is the data from 2011-2019. Infer what you will about how additions have affected total attendance at the parks individually and combined.
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I almost mentioned Animal Kingdom in my original post because I think Pandora is the one time it actually did lead to a significant increase, which is understandable considering Animal Kingdom had the least to do of any park, especially for people who didn't care about the animals. Magic Kingdom saw a decent jump as well, but smaller than Animal Kingdom in relative terms.
Thing is, I don't think any of those increases, including the AK jump, was enough to outweigh the capacity additions. Those would only correspond to a couple thousand extra visitors per day, and the capacity increases were generally enough to handle that many guests (if not more) in an hour.
Part of which is exasperated by people wandering around waiting for their FP+/G+ attraction time (or just standing in front of the attraction entrance staring the castmember down and making people navigate around them because they showed up 15 mintues too early and aren't allowed in yet) and part of it is made worse by MK being the most complete of the four parks and probably the only one that could exist without the others.Magic Kingdom's primary issue isn't "stuff to do" or even "stuff to eat," it's "square footage to move your body freely."
Eh, I think that's all true but I don't think it would change even if the other three parks were fully fleshed out. MK is MK is MK.Besides being the one everyone who knows nothing about Walt Disney World would normally think of when you say "Walt Disney World" how likely would you be to tell anyone "If you only have one day to spend, I know a lot of people like the MK but the best place to go to get the full bang for your buck for your three generations of family is (insert one of the other three parks)"?
It may be true that it's the castle park that people think of but it's also true that it's at least twice the park any of the others are in terms of things to do and appeal offered for all ages.
I think MK will always be the most popular (by far) and will always be the thing people who haven't been will think of when they hear Walt Disney World... and will probably be an at-least-visit-once-on-every-trip park for most people traveling to go but... I also think they could do a lot more at the other three to bleed some of that attendance, even if it's just for park hopping (which would help with all-day attendance/crowding) or for peeling off a second day MK visit.Eh, I think that's all true but I don't think it would change even if the other three parks were fully fleshed out. MK is MK is MK.
I only copied a small part of this post but I agreed with all of it. 100%.It may be true that it's the castle park that people think of but it's also true that it's at least twice the park any of the others are in terms of things to do and appeal offered for all ages.
Magic Kingdom will be Magic Kingdom, but it could not hurt to better flesh out the other parks.Eh, I think that's all true but I don't think it would change even if the other three parks were fully fleshed out. MK is MK is MK.
Again abbreviated snip, but I agree with the entire post. This part. I agree with the most. It is exactly why they will likely keep park reservation system as an " integral part of the guest experience" .I guess using the reservation system to force people into parks they'd otherwise not choose is their solution there, though.
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