Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[danlb_2000]

What gets me is the vaccines have proven they work in keeping hospitalizations down and people from getting serious illness. Add that most say the only thing that matters is hospitalizations. Since all that is true, why are so many against things that get people vaccinated.

What we get instead is " maybe people should eat healthier" or "MaH fReEdOm" or " I did my part".

Because people see some of things things a infringing on people's freedoms.

 

[Jrb1979]

With this news I think many Canadians will have second thoughts about traveling right now.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Yep. the the virus causes bacterial pneumonia in a lot of cases and its why they will give you Doxycyline and a steroid for your lungs.

The steroid is simply to tamp down on the disregulated inflammatory response, which is largely what lands COVID patients in the hospital. It's one of the few treatments (beyond the usual care of septic patients) shown to have a positive influence on outcomes once the disease progresses to the stage where patients require supplemental oxygen.

Antibiotics only have use in fighting secondary bacterial infections... which are not uncommon in ICU patients. It wouldn't surprise me if more than half of ICU COVID patients receive an antibiotic course sometime during their hospital stay.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

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I'm worried about this year, 2023-2026 now....Is the pandemic will be longer as possible or the pandemic will be finally ending?

My advice, stop reading so much news.

No one, NO ONE, knows how long this will or won’t last.

I choose to be optimistic and side with the articles saying Omicron may be the end and in a couple months the world will be even more normal, until something changes there’s no benefit in believing the doom and gloom over the sunny predictions.

The good news is a we’ve now got vaccines that are effective at preventing most serious cases, the world is back open, and life is 90% normal. Focus on the positive rather than the negative!

 

[MisterPenguin]

I haven’t seen much to show that boosters Vs. “fully vaxed” keep people out of the hospital.

It’s a legit question... if the data is there please show me. I’m interested in seeing it.

Wish it was updated more regularly...

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[Sirwalterraleigh]

What gets me is the vaccines have proven they work in keeping hospitalizations down and people from getting serious illness. Add that most say the only thing that matters is hospitalizations. Since all that is true, why are so many against things that get people vaccinated.

What we get instead is " maybe people should eat healthier" or "MaH fReEdOm" or " I did my part".

Honestly…because they’re sore losers and re-litigating something that happened 26 months ago…that’s the primary “reason”

American defiance masquerading as “individual choice” Has been exposed for the hoax it really is.

Ugh…that’s enough…

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

It’s not legit…all the authorized boosters have been proven via trials…same as Tylenol or Athletes Foot cream…

you’re just playing the “counter” and casting doubt unnecessarily, Senator

You are twisting my question and I don’t appreciate that.

I’m not suggesting any boosters are unsafe, or have not been “proven” - I’m interested in seeing how well the boosters protect people Vs. “fully vaxed” individuals. That’s my question. Simple as that.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Wish it was updated more regularly...

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Thank you! That’s about what I would expect. I too would like to see more current data.

The chart I saw from the UK which shows hospitalizations was a very small difference in fully vaxed vs boosted.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

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The numbers are out there if you’re eyes/ears work. The problem is “sourcing”

it’s I believe 17 times less likely to kill the vaccinated and 23 times less likely to hospitalize them…you hear it 10 times a day if you’re head isn’t up your own

 

[mmascari]

I don't support things which either force people to get vaccinated or essentially force them by not allowing them to be employed without doing it. I believe that, at the end of the day, it should be a personal choice of what you want to have injected into you especially when the efficacy in reducing spread is not very high.

That only works if the personal choice doesn't involve a social cost. All the things suggested to remove the unvaccinated from society are ways of trying to reduce the social cost that aren't as good as everyone just getting vaccinated.

Your alternative it so cap medical capacity for unvaccinated and when it's out, just leave any additional unvaccinated impacted to die.

I'm not sure how "sorry you made a bad personal decision, to avoid the social cost you get to die" is a better trade off then "sorry you made a bad personal decision, to avoid the social cost you don't get to participate is a large percentage of society".

Who gets to set the cap? What if they set it super low? What about 0? All three of those questions sound horrible.


There's definitely a social cost to the unvaccinated. A cost that is reduced as the a vaccinated percentage increases. That's how vaccines have always worked.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

You are twisting my question and I don’t appreciate that.

I’m not suggesting any boosters are unsafe, or have not been “proven” - I’m interested in seeing how well the boosters protect people Vs. “fully vaxed” individuals. That’s my question. Simple as that.

To what end?

 

[mmascari]

Because people see some of things things a infringing on people's freedoms.

I see waiting in line as infringing on my freedom. You think everyone on this board will let me cut in front of them for SDD?

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

To what end?

Against “serious illness”, hospitalization, and death.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It depends how you define "things that get people vaccinated." I support educating people about what the vaccines do and making them easily available at no cost. I also support PTO for a day if the vaccine side effects cause you to be unable to work.

I don't support things which either force people to get vaccinated or essentially force them by not allowing them to be employed without doing it. I believe that, at the end of the day, it should be a personal choice of what you want to have injected into you especially when the efficacy in reducing spread is not very high.

I believe it is the intelligent decision to get vaccinated but I don't believe that I should make that decision for somebody else.

That only works if the personal choice doesn't involve a social cost. All the things suggested to remove the unvaccinated from society are ways of trying to reduce the social cost that aren't as good as everyone just getting vaccinated.

Your alternative it so cap medical capacity for unvaccinated and when it's out, just leave any additional unvaccinated impacted to die.

I'm not sure how "sorry you made a bad personal decision, to avoid the social cost you get to die" is a better trade off then "sorry you made a bad personal decision, to avoid the social cost you don't get to participate is a large percentage of society".

Who gets to set the cap? What if they set it super low? What about 0? All three of those questions sound horrible.


There's definitely a social cost to the unvaccinated. A cost that is reduced as the a vaccinated percentage increases. That's how vaccines have always worked.

This is about public health…not constitutional theory…and that’s never going to change no matter how many times it’s set up that way falsely.

hamilton was too drunk on a bender and didn’t have time to right that amendment.

you protect the whole from the sum of it’s bad parts…

24 months later…the same false flags are beige run up the pole by the same actors

 

[sullyinMT]

Thank you! That’s about what I would expect. I too would like to see more current data.

The chart I saw from the UK which shows hospitalizations was a very small difference in fully vaxed vs boosted.

You see, though, that Penguin’s chart shows the start of a widening gap by mid-late November. About the time omicron showed up on our shores, and also about the time a lot of people were suddenly over six months or so from last dose. So, if you get your two doses now you’re way better off than no vaccine at all. And, if you had your last dose sometime in June or July (or prior), you’re putting yourself on the upslope of risk without a booster. At least, that’s what I’m reading at a glance.

Honestly, why wait for the gap to be wide before acting? We have the tools right now to keep that bottom line near flat - and everyone could be on that line now or very soon.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Against “serious illness”, hospitalization, and death.

To what End are you questioning boosters? Unless it “lessens” effectiveness of the original sequence…you just take it anyway

 

[MisterPenguin]

The numbers are out there if you’re eyes/ears work. The problem is “sourcing”

it’s I believe 17 times less likely to kill the vaccinated and 23 times less likely to hospitalize them…you hear it 10 times a day if you’re head isn’t up your own

For "fully vaccinated" or for "boosted", because that was the question.

 

[mmascari]

Thank you! That’s about what I would expect. I too would like to see more current data.

The chart I saw from the UK which shows hospitalizations was a very small difference in fully vaxed vs boosted.

Do you have a link to the chart?

Was the difference in fully vaccinated vs boosted really very small or did the chart also include unvaccinated?

Looking at @MisterPenguin 's chart, the difference between fully vaccinated vs boosted looks small, however, the unvaccinated line is skewing the scale. If you remove it and look at just the two, the change in scale will show that it's a very meaningful difference.

I haven't seen one, but if they added a line for "one dose of a two dose vaccine", I'm willing to bet it would be closer to the unvaccinated than the fully vaccinated line and that much further from the boosted line.

 

[Dranth]

I see waiting in line as infringing on my freedom. You think everyone on this board will let me cut in front of them for SDD?

As long as you're polite and say "Excuse me. My freedom got in line a bit ago, just catching up." as you pass each group I think you will be fine.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Do you have a link to the chart?

Was the difference in fully vaccinated vs boosted really very small or did the chart also include unvaccinated?

Looking at @MisterPenguin 's chart, the difference between fully vaccinated vs boosted looks small, however, the unvaccinated line is skewing the scale. If you remove it and look at just the two, the change in scale will show that it's a very meaningful difference.

I haven't seen one, but if they added a line for "one dose of a two dose vaccine", I'm willing to bet it would be closer to the unvaccinated than the fully vaccinated line and that much further from the boosted line.

The chart was posted somewhere in this thread! Haha.

The numbers were identical for at least 1 age group and it went up to about 1% difference for 55-65 I think.