Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Jrb1979]

Thousands sign up for 1st dose of COVID-19 vaccine as Quebec threatens to tax the unvaxxed

Thousands more people have registered for their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, amid threats by Quebec officials to tax the unvaccinated.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

Looks like threatening a tax is working to get people vaccinated. Dangling carrots doesn't work.

 

[Patcheslee]

Has VT blocked its purchase? It’s still OTC, but kept behind pharmacy counters and under strict purchase limits by US law. I’m sure you know that, hence the state specific question.

Thanks, Breaking Bad

In Indiana I can't even purchase a bottle of children's cough medicine without my ID, doesn't matter if it has pseudo in it. Limited to 1 bottle.

 

[sullyinMT]

Thousands sign up for 1st dose of COVID-19 vaccine as Quebec threatens to tax the unvaxxed

Thousands more people have registered for their first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, amid threats by Quebec officials to tax the unvaccinated.

montreal.ctvnews.ca

Looks like threatening a tax is working to get people vaccinated. Dangling carrots doesn't work.

The people holding out must be beaten with said carrot at this point. Sad, but true.

Definitely possible because at least CMS can make a reasonable argument that the legislative intent was for the agency to provide health care to Medicare and Medicaid recipients and that the mandate can help protect their health.

The OSHA justification is a much bigger stretch as nobody can suggest with a straight face that the legislative intent when OSHA was created was for them to protect workers from airborne viruses.

My one question to CMS is why wouldn't you mandate that Medicare and Medicaid RECIPIENTS get vaccinated since that is a proven way to protect their health and save money on treatment? The provider mandate doesn't provide nearly the level of protection for the patients even under a best-case scenario.

CMS dictates terms of service and care all the time. JCAHO comes to mind right away, but certain minimum standards exist all across healthcare in order to qualify for payment. In short, I think we’re saying the same thing here. Justification of the CMS vaccine rule seems easier.

There’s probably a delineation of state/federal irt Medicaid recipients, since states run their individual programs. But I would agree with a Medicare subsidy in the vein of Quebec’s recent announcement.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

This was why I mentioned this advice the other day:

"If you're going to catch it, better to do it when not everyone else is also catching it."

You'll get much better care that way.

Maybe wait for a dip/valley in cases and hospital capacity before you go our licking door knobs.

Exactly opposite of what the recommendations are?

With current restrictions in place such as indoor dining and gym closures, as well as limiting gatherings to like 5 people (I believe that is what it is now?), being able to live normally is definitely debatable. With that being said, Canada can be Canada and do what they want. If the majority of people suddenly don't support it, they will let it be known either by protesting or voting the current individuals out of office.

they are “living their life” the best they can based on the circumstances/conflict

Another reason to be upset about the continuous dropping the ball on testing and testing availability.

So why not go with the idiots take: “just stop testing! The tests are killing me!”

??

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I assume everyone knows the reason phenylephrine is restricted is because mountain people were boiling it to make meth out of it - correct?

so they regulated anything close…just in case. That’s public health 101: protect the stupid whether they want it or not.

 

[correcaminos]

I assume everyone knows the reason phenylephrine is restricted is because mountain people were boiling it to make meth out of it - correct?

That one isn't the restricted one. Pseudoephedrine is (sudafed). Phenylephrine is sudafed PE and you can buy it here off shelf no pharmacist checking ID.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

That one isn't the restricted one. Pseudoephedrine is (sudafed). Phenylephrine is sudafed PE and you can buy it here off shelf no pharmacist checking ID.

Right…I typed the wrong one…it didn’t look right.

the restriction for both in a lot of states remains the same

 

[Patcheslee]

I assume everyone knows the reason phenylephrine is restricted is because mountain people were boiling it to make meth out of it - correct?

so they regulated anything close…just in case. That’s public health 101: protect the stupid whether they want it or not.

People use powder baby formula to cut powder type drugs. Are they going to restrict that as well? It's big issue around here with some women on WIC selling the cans.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People use powder baby formula to cut powder type drugs. Are they going to restrict that as well? It's big issue around here with some women on WIC selling the cans.

It depends on how widespread it is…would be the answer

“stupid is as stupid does”

-Gump, Forrest

 

[correcaminos]

Right…I typed the wrong one…it didn’t look right.

the restriction for both in a lot of states remains the same

Both are not restricted. Only pseudoephedrine for the meth connection.

 

[sullyinMT]

Both are not restricted. Only pseudoephedrine for the meth connection.

Correct. Individual retailers may do as they please, but only one is federally regulated.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Both are not restricted. Only pseudoephedrine for the meth connection.

Correct. Individual retailers may do as they please, but only one is federally regulated.

My point is some places put all the OTC stuff behind the counter or behind an ID check nonetheless as a simplification

 

[maui2k7]

Can we fast forward to Spring?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Can we fast forward to Spring?

That used to be a lot more funny/less serious than it has been the last couple of years

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I really wish they hadn't called the shot after 5-6 months a "booster" but just the "next dose in the schedule".

I wish there was more information and studies published on the booster vs. original doses. I think it’s wrong for some cities to say a person is not “fully vaxed” if they didn’t get a booster.

With current restrictions in place such as indoor dining and gym closures, as well as limiting gatherings to like 5 people (I believe that is what it is now?), being able to live normally is definitely debatable. With that being said, Canada can be Canada and do what they want. If the majority of people suddenly don't support it, they will let it be known either by protesting or voting the current individuals out of office.

Yeah, before vaccines I argued that people needed to make sacrifices for the better good of the country etc.... but now? People should be free to make choices. If they want to gather and go to a theme park or concert let them. We have to figure out how to operate the world in this “new normal”

 

[sullyinMT]

My point is some places put all the OTC stuff behind the counter or behind an ID check nonetheless as a simplification

Sure. Like when we were living in Atlanta, I couldn’t buy Kaliber (Guinness NA) once on Sunday due to blue laws in Paulding County. Publix just wanted to make it easy and restricted the whole aisle. But the Kroger one mile away gladly obliged.

The point is a retailer’s convenience and regulation are two different things here. I guess similar to how my wife’s company adopted a vaccine or nothing policy for employees. They didn’t want to deal with the testing caveat as a federal contractor, so they made the easier but more restrictive (for employees) policy.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Sure. Like when we were living in Atlanta, I couldn’t buy Kaliber (Guinness NA) once on Sunday due to blue laws in Paulding County. Publix just wanted to make it easy and restricted the whole aisle. But the Kroger one mile away gladly obliged.

The point is a retailer’s convenience and regulation are two different things here. I guess similar to how my wife’s company adopted a vaccine or nothing policy for employees. They didn’t want to deal with the testing caveat as a federal contractor, so they made the easier but more restrictive (for employees) policy.

No…you’re right.

i just wanted to make sure the standard “government overreach” straw man wasn’t being employed…that’s rarely the problem.

now “graft for more money”??…can’t argue that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I wish there was more information and studies published on the booster vs. original doses. I think it’s wrong for some cities to say a person is not “fully vaxed” if they didn’t get a booster.

I wish people would just shut up and do what they’re told.

because they’ll readily take the advice of far dumber people on a variety of topics than world renown researchers/public managers

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I wish people would just shut up and do what they’re told.

because they’ll readily take the advice of far dumber people on a variety of topics than world renown researchers/public managers

Ah. Shut up and ask no questions. Got it.

 

[DisneyFan32]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/11/pfizer-omicron-specific-vaccine/?utm_source=instagram&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&crl8_id=fe924dd4-65ed-4bc8-8744-a2a7e99be143

I hope the pandemic will be end for the world by mid 2022 or late 2022.