Employer paid tests cost the business money, that makes those employees a greater liability.
We don't need zero. Don't underestimate the value of "significantly".
Have to start somewhere, doesn't have to be the entire world. I'm super selfish here, I would be fine if we could solve the US.
That may be true for some individuals, but it's certainly not true for everybody and it's 100% not true for protecting public health and everything that goes along with that. As hospitals fail, supply chains backup, workforce is required to cope with sick people, and the economy falters because of the continued public health problem, all of of those are impacted too.
Spread would also be way lower. People like to ignore that since spread can happen they believe it's all the same. It's not.
As far as I'm aware there aren't any nations (certainly not ones that aren't run by authoritative governments) who have actually mandated that all citizens be vaccinated so it isn't just about the stones in the USA.
Does it need to be easy for the employee?
Depending on the cost of having an employee out for 2 weeks and how that impacts the rest of business. Or, worse yet, having several employees out for even just one week. Paying that fine might be cheaper. Just a cost of doing business. Much like other regulatory penalties companies just pay sometimes instead of complying with.
Austria and Canada (via provincial patchwork) are the closest I can think of. Portugal had wide success without needing to take that step. Once Austria’s mandate has taken effect, we’ll see if it helps. I agree the western world as a whole has failed in various stages of misery on that spectrum. Political will and market fear have gotten in the way. I’d like to see if United has better flight performance/availability due to less staff being out sick. I’d rather businesses act and not have any level of government get in the way, except for their own employees the way the executive branch did. But that hasn’t worked thus far, and I struggle internally with how comfortable I am with government at any level now getting involved into the private sector for the sake of public health. I think they need to do something, but how long those fingers might get into the rest of our lives does worry me, I fully admit. Even as I push for business to act, and strongly, in this regard. From “passports” for customers in tight, non-essential settings like theaters and bars, to work requirements. My comment was more on boardroom fortitude than the government, at least for now. Except where they are the employer.
If we have reasonable faith in the effectiveness of the vaccines we have received (I do) then those who are not vaccinated aren't imposing anything on us.
Then you don't understand how vaccines work as a public health tool.
Depends. I don't, since I don't see many people. But, people who work in a hospital certainly hear complaints about those who do not.
Beyond that, COVID is not the flu. If the measles vaccination rate was this low, I'm willing to bet you would hear complaints.
There’s a difference between trusting the vaccine on a personal level (I do and expect either an asymptomatic or mild case should a breakthrough occur), even out to our immediate family (same for my wife and sons now that all 4 of us are fully vaccinated and boosted as appropriate), and recognizing the burdens that the unvaccinated place on society. From healthcare strain, to lost productivity, to lost classroom time as teachers and students fall significantly ill, not donating more doses to underserved nations because the holdouts may finally come around, to continued international travel disruption because of the aforementioned effects, those in the developed world who continue to dig in their heels and not get their shots are dragging the world down with them.
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I bet the 5G on the island was terrible, she wanted to watch House reruns so now she can.Brave Sole Resident of Greek Islet Kinaros Gets Vaccinated
The lone inhabitant of Greek islet Kinaros, Irene Katsotourchi, was vaccinated against COVID-19 after a mobile vaccination unit visited hergreekreporter.com
Feel good story. She's practically alone with almost no contact with other people, and she STILL asked to be vaccinated and was.
"An advisory panel for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday said it prefers Pfizer and Moderna’s vaccines over Johnson & Johnson’s shot for adults 18 and over, after finding dozens of people developed a rare blood clot condition following J&J vaccination, all of whom were hospitalized and nine of whom died.
The Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices voted unanimously to recommend Pfizer and Moderna over the Johnson & Johnson vaccine. CDC Director Rochelle Walensky still has to weigh in on the panel’s recommendation.
The CDC has confirmed 54 cases of people developing blood clots and showing low blood platelet levels, a new condition called thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome that mostly affects younger women. All of the patients were hospitalized, nine people died and 36 were treated in intensive care.
“The TTS case reporting rates following Janssen vaccines is higher than previous estimates in men as well as women in a wider age range,” Dr. Keipp Talbot, chair of the the CDC’s vaccine and safety subgroup, told the advisory panel.
Seven of the patients who died were women and two were men with a median age of 45. Most the people who died had underlying health conditions such as obesity, hypertension and diabetes. The death reporting rate was 0.57 fatalities per million doses administered, according to the CDC."
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CDC recommends Pfizer, Moderna vaccines over J&J shots for adults due to rare blood clot cases
The CDC has confirmed 54 cases of people developing blood clots and showing low blood platelet levels following J&J vaccination.
54 cases from millions of doses. Less risky than COVID infection, tbh (especially since J&J is only authorized in adults so the minimal infection risk to kids is moot here). And there’s a safer and more effective alternative in the mRNA vaccines, which have collectively been given to billions on every continent. That’s why.
I understand how they work as a public health tool, even though these particular vaccines haven't shown themselves to be as effective at that even in countries where the vaccination rate was very high.
Doesn't matter.
Why do they have the right to harm others without consequence? What makes them so much more special than everyone else?
I'm triple vaxed - jumped the line to get my first shot last April, got my booster a couple of weeks ago - I'll scan my card and display it here if you'd like.
In regards to my body my rights, etc, someone in NC set up a fake funeral home advertisement on a truck " Don't Get Vaccinated , Wilmore Funeral Home " and drove around to showcase the slogan.