Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Tay]

Why? Lol

Masks

 

[Chomama]

Masks

Seasonality? It Is likely a combination of several factors. Where I live in Alabama nobody wears masks and we have seen the significant drop off. I do not think it is because of heard immunity either. I suspect that we will see another spike because at least 30 to 40% of our population
Remains unprotected. This is not a black and white situation but I am grateful for another break from having to worry about my kids leaving the house at all. I am hopeful that in a few more weeks they will be able to be vaccinated and we will move on with our lives. My husband and I had moderna back in February and are hopeful that will be able to get a booster, but are also grateful that moderna seems to be holding up over time. All of that said I just don’t think masks are the end all be all. I wear mine and so do my
Kids but there has to be more to the story.

 

[correcaminos]

The problem is ignorance. The vaccinated don’t realize that it isn’t a cure and should still wear mask and social distance. The unvaccinated use their brother’s girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend’s uncle’s former classmate that was vaccinated and caught the virus as an excuse not to get vaccinated BECAusE tHEy GOT VACCinAtED aND stILl gOT It being ignorant to the fact that there’s a gazillion strains out there and they could have been infected before the vaccine kicked in.

I'm laughing at the reference and the cApS - not at what you are saying.

 

[disneygeek90]

Fear Factor was a solid show for a bit.

I went to a Mexican restaurant tonight and oddly enough Fear Factor was on one of the large TVs at the bar. A pretty odd choice considering some of its queasy subject matter, not to mention just a super random thing to be on regardless.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

I went to a Mexican restaurant tonight and oddly enough Fear Factor was on one of the large TVs at the bar. A pretty odd choice considering some of its queasy subject matter, not to mention just a super random thing to be on regardless.

Is Fear Factor still a thing on TV? Or was that a rerun?

 

[disneygeek90]

Is Fear Factor still a thing on TV? Or was that a rerun?

No it was definitely a re-run. I am pretty sure I had seen that episode 15 years ago

 

[Figgy1]

The problem is ignorance. The vaccinated don’t realize that it isn’t a cure and should still wear mask and social distance. The unvaccinated use their brother’s girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend’s uncle’s former classmate that was vaccinated and caught the virus as an excuse not to get vaccinated BECAusE tHEy GOT VACCinAtED aND stILl gOT It being ignorant to the fact that there’s a gazillion strains out there and they could have been infected before the vaccine kicked in.

No it was some singer's relative in another country's friend of somebody of somebody who had a relative that knew some guy that got a rash or swelling in an uncomfortable place. The guy has not yet been identified

 

[Andrew C]

Masks

You think the limited number of “mask mandates” scattered throughout Florida is the reason for the significant drop in cases? Nah. They may have taken some off from the top and helped here and there but the huge drop off is the normal cycle of this virus as it goes through the population. Seeing the same thing in texas with pretty much no mitigation.

 

[Andrew C]

The vaccinated don’t realize that it isn’t a cure and should still wear mask and social distance.

Or they just realize the risk has been so greatly reduced that they are comfortable leading normal lives again.

 

[DisneyFan32]

Seasonality? It Is likely a combination of several factors. Where I live in Alabama nobody wears masks and we have seen the significant drop off. I do not think it is because of heard immunity either. I suspect that we will see another spike because at least 30 to 40% of our population
Remains unprotected. This is not a black and white situation but I am grateful for another break from having to worry about my kids leaving the house at all. I am hopeful that in a few more weeks they will be able to be vaccinated and we will move on with our lives. My husband and I had moderna back in February and are hopeful that will be able to get a booster, but are also grateful that moderna seems to be holding up over time. All of that said I just don’t think masks are the end all be all. I wear mine and so do my
Kids but there has to be more to the story.

Dang it, I hope we will not get another spike or major spike for this Winter 2021-2022. I don't want to wear mask anymore after the pandemic is finally over by next year. I just want to go back to normal and riding NJ Transit train to NYC again without masks anymore.

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You think the limited number of “mask mandates” scattered throughout Florida is the reason for the significant drop in cases? Nah. They may have taken some off from the top and helped here and there but the huge drop off is the normal cycle of this virus as it goes through the population. Seeing the same thing in texas with pretty much no mitigation.

I agree, the decrease in Florida is mostly due to the vast increase in the immune population, 4 million from vaccinations and another 2 million from catching Covid over the last few months.

We could have avoided most of those cases had everyone been vaccinated but one way or the other everyone will eventually have antibodies, the biggest thing we control is if we get the antibodies via vaccine or via illness.

 

[JoeCamel]

I agree, the decrease in Florida is mostly due to the vast increase in the immune population, 4 million from vaccinations and another 2 million from catching Covid over the last few months.

We could have avoided most of those cases had everyone been vaccinated but one way or the other everyone will eventually have antibodies, the biggest thing we control of is if we get the antibodies via vaccine or via illness.

But the illness route comes with death, hospitalizations and healthcare workers having to deal with people that think they are not at risk.
Yeah I agree with you

 

[MisterPenguin]

But yes, Joe Rogan is a voice of reason, which such gems as "there are infinities that are larger than other infinities.”


Edit: "there are infinities that are larger than other infinities.” Sounds like a quote from a really bad stoner comedy.

Actually, mathematically, there are some infinities bigger than others. The question is whether those mathematical models apply to something in reality that is truly infinite... even in the case of the least infinite infinity.

Also, there's misusing a well established mathematical model as a poor metaphor or to make a fallacious point. So, you can be right about the math, but wrong about the point you're making.

 

[October82]

You think the limited number of “mask mandates” scattered throughout Florida is the reason for the significant drop in cases? Nah. They may have taken some off from the top and helped here and there but the huge drop off is the normal cycle of this virus as it goes through the population. Seeing the same thing in texas with pretty much no mitigation.

People engage in mitigation regardless of whether there are public health orders. There's no magic "cycles" that the virus does on its own. What we see in case and other counts, with this and other viruses, is driven by human behavior. Do we congregate with one another? Do we cough on each other? Do we wash our hands? Stay home when sick or go to work?

 

[October82]

Actually, mathematically, there are some infinities bigger than others. The question is whether those mathematical models apply to something in reality that is truly infinite... even in the case of the least infinite infinity.

Also, there's misusing a well established mathematical model as a poor metaphor or to make a fallacious point. So, you can be right about the math, but wrong about the point you're making.

Not to take anything away from what you're saying, but I don't think there's any doubt of this. People who argue the contrary, in my experience, have basic misunderstandings about cardinality.

 

[Patcheslee]

IMO the CDC connected ALOT of dots to come out with "breakthrough cases spread Covid" on July 27. More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not likely to spread it. I thought then as I think now, they jumped the gun and bowed to a lot of pressure to reinstate masks indoors. That study over the 4th was not peer reviewed that I know of.

Here's the latest that contracts them. now will the CDC reverse course?

New research reveals the truth about breakthrough cases and coronavirus spread

What do they consider "not likely"? Stepdad vaccinated 73 spread it to vaccinated mom 67. Do they mean not likely if following precautions?

 

[DisneyCane]

Just saw that Florida has its lowest Covid cases since July. I wonder why (sarcasm). Mask mandates need to stay until this virus gets slowed down. I didn’t see anybody complain of the mask mandates my entire trip, surprisingly.

Why? Lol

Masks

You can't possibly be suggesting that people wearing masks indoors at WDW is the reason that FL's case level has come down. There is no statewide mandate nor any local mandates and the vast majority of businesses don't require them.

Observationally, there was a slight increase in people voluntarily masking when the spike got real bad but, for the most part, the people who kept masking in May are the ones who have been masking through the rise and fall of the spike.

The cases coming down are mostly due to a combination of slowly increasing vaccination rates and the large number of people who were infected and recovered during the late June through late September time frame.

 

[Andrew C]

People engage in mitigation regardless of whether there are public health orders. There's no magic "cycles" that the virus does on its own. What we see in case and other counts, with this and other viruses, is driven by human behavior. Do we congregate with one another? Do we cough on each other? Do we wash our hands? Stay home when sick or go to work?

No one said the cycle is magic. But it’s there. The question/discussion was about masks being responsible for the huge decline in cases. They are not. Also, around mitigation, you really believe there were high levels of mitigation in Florida that caused the cases to fall off a cliff? Ok…

 

[DisneyCane]

People engage in mitigation regardless of whether there are public health orders. There's no magic "cycles" that the virus does on its own. What we see in case and other counts, with this and other viruses, is driven by human behavior. Do we congregate with one another? Do we cough on each other? Do we wash our hands? Stay home when sick or go to work?

There are absolutely natural outbreak cycles. What do you think the "curve" is that we were trying to "flatten?" Given no mitigation and no vaccination every virus will have a natural cycle. The duration, peak amplitude and number of deaths will vary based on the virus but the shape of the curve will be very similar for all viruses.

Mitigation changes the shape of the curve and lowers the peak amplitude unless you go to true, draconian lockdowns where the total spread can be reduced. Vaccination changes the curve based on how effective it is against infection and ability of the vaccinated who are infected to spread the virus.

 

[Nubs70]

What do they consider "not likely"? Stepdad vaccinated 73 spread it to vaccinated mom 67. Do they mean not likely if following precautions?

I would have to guess there was more than casual contact.