Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

 

[Gringrinngghost]

So happy that Rogan was not about to let Gupta's network get away without at least Gupta himself coming clean on the lies they spread about Rogan's treatment for Covid.

Rogan needs to learn to not try and talk over guests.

 

[mmascari]

More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not likely to spread it.

You're missing some important words in there.

"More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not [as] likely to spread it [as unvaccinated people]"

Otherwise, it sounds like an absolute that vaccinated people never do something. We'll get 20 pages on people fighting about that and saying it's not 100% and totally happens. Followed by 10 pages of people saying since it happens at all, there's no sense getting vaccinated at all.

None of these are absolutes. Even the Gupta article in the first post doesn't say it's an absolute, but it does say that it's 8 times less for a vaccinated person and for less time. Both of which make a vaccinated person much less likely to pass on the virus than an unvaccinated one, but not 0.

People are so black and white about this though. CDC went cautious based on a situation and people just get so nasty about it. Truth is while spread is high among unvaccinated, all masking is safer. You'd think we'd stop this fight, but we don't. Very sad really.

Right. Everyone wants a light switch that's on or off. They want every solution to be like having a baby. Either you're pregnant or you're not, there's no such thing as half way.

But, that's not how virus transmission works. Maybe you're infecting lots of people, maybe few, probably not everyone you see and probably not none. And, since it's "less", when spread is high, that "less" is a larger absolute number. It's less of something large instead of less of something small.

We'll probably still get 5 more pages on how the vaccine is practically a forcefield or not anyway.


Everyone get vaccinated. Everyone get everyone you know vaccinated. That should drive the spread to less. Then less of a small number will be even less and it'll repeat until less is so small we don't worry about it anymore. Then I can get my Dole Whip, finally.

 

[ABQ]

Rogan needs to learn to not try and talk over guests.

Gupta was attempting to avoid answering some important questions, I think Joe did what he had to do to get that done. Not that his interview style has impeded his success anyway.

 

[DCBaker]

The 14-day rolling positivity rate for Orange County via Mayor Demings is 5.37%.

Here is the current vaccination status for Orange County -

Demings also mentioned the State of Emergency order for Orange County may end in about a week.

 

[DonniePeverley]

UK cases are worryingly rising again. Now 45,000 cases (USA equivelant would be 230,000 cases a day).

Depressing. UK has no mask mandate and no social distancing rules at all - a tad surreal when you look at the stats.

Bizarre is that the rest of Europe is doing relatively well.

 

[DisneyFan32]

UK cases are worryingly rising again. Now 45,000 cases (USA equivelant would be 230,000 cases a day).

Depressing. UK has no mask mandate and no social distancing rules at all - a tad surreal when you look at the stats.

Bizarre is that the rest of Europe is doing relatively well.

UK needs do mask mandate and social distancing NOW. The virus is getting worse in UK. Even people will have to worry about their Winter days soon as the cases will getting worse...

 

[Andrew C]

UK needs do mask mandate and social distancing NOW.

With their high vaccination rate, doubtful.

 

[Jrb1979]

With their high vaccination rate, doubtful.

Why not? I'm in Ontario and we have a high vaccination rate. Masks and social distancing are still required here for everyone.

 

[Andrew C]

Why not? I'm in Ontario and we have a high vaccination rate. Masks and social distancing are still required here for everyone.

Because they already dropped their restrictions after achieving this rate. And it’s the UK.

 

[DisneyCane]

You're missing some important words in there.

"More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not [as] likely to spread it [as unvaccinated people]"

Otherwise, it sounds like an absolute that vaccinated people never do something. We'll get 20 pages on people fighting about that and saying it's not 100% and totally happens. Followed by 10 pages of people saying since it happens at all, there's no sense getting vaccinated at all.

None of these are absolutes. Even the Gupta article in the first post doesn't say it's an absolute, but it does say that it's 8 times less for a vaccinated person and for less time. Both of which make a vaccinated person much less likely to pass on the virus than an unvaccinated one, but not 0.



Right. Everyone wants a light switch that's on or off. They want every solution to be like having a baby. Either you're pregnant or you're not, there's no such thing as half way.

But, that's not how virus transmission works. Maybe you're infecting lots of people, maybe few, probably not everyone you see and probably not none. And, since it's "less", when spread is high, that "less" is a larger absolute number. It's less of something large instead of less of something small.

We'll probably still get 5 more pages on how the vaccine is practically a forcefield or not anyway.


Everyone get vaccinated. Everyone get everyone you know vaccinated. That should drive the spread to less. Then less of a small number will be even less and it'll repeat until less is so small we don't worry about it anymore. Then I can get my Dole Whip, finally.

The Dole Whip stand is open, isn't it? What you can't get (at least as of the last time I was there) is a muffin at Sunshine Seasons.

 

[Andrew C]

The Dole Whip stand is open, isn't it? What you can't get (at least as of the last time I was there) is a muffin at Sunshine Seasons.

I had the Peter Pan float.

 

[Nubs70]

You're missing some important words in there.

"More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not [as] likely to [still can] spread it [therefore everyone, regardless of vaccination status, should wear a mask indoors.[as unvaccinated people]"

Fixed

 

[Nubs70]

I did read these findings were not peer reviewed yet, but promising for sure.

People are so black and white about this though. CDC went cautious based on a situation and people just get so nasty about it. Truth is while spread is high among unvaccinated, all masking is safer. You'd think we'd stop this fight, but we don't. Very sad really.

When the CDC, or any governmental entity, hands out guidance that affects individual daily lives, it's pretty black and white.

 

[Gringrinngghost]

Gupta was attempting to avoid answering some important questions, I think Joe did what he had to do to get that done. Not that his interview style has impeded his success anyway.

Some of Rogans ‘quotes’ are idiotic to say the least. And many of the peons who follow him and take him for gospel don’t help. Additionally, anyone would avoid answering questions and let’s remember, Gupta isn’t an epidemiologist, He’s a neurosurgeon. So it’s not exactly Gupta’s wheel house.

And honestly who cares that cnn called ivermectin 'horse dewormer' because Gupta said it was something the network shouldn’t have done, yet we have people buying it from Vet Stores where it’s marketed at a horse dewormer, so it’s a two lane road.

But yes, Joe Rogan is a voice of reason, which such gems as "there are infinities that are larger than other infinities.”

I’ll stick to virologists and epidemiologists talking about the virus, then I wild a neurosurgeon and a UFC commentator who with no medical backing peddling medical advice.

Edit: "there are infinities that are larger than other infinities.” Sounds like a quote from a really bad stoner comedy.

 

[Andrew C]

Fear Factor was a solid show for a bit.

 

[Tay]

Just saw that Florida has its lowest Covid cases since July. I wonder why (sarcasm). Mask mandates need to stay until this virus gets slowed down. I didn’t see anybody complain of the mask mandates my entire trip, surprisingly.

 

[Andrew C]

I wonder why (sarcasm).

Why? Lol

 

[JoeCamel]

"there are infinities that are larger than other infinities.” dude! Sounds like a quote from a really bad stoner comedy.

Need to add "dude"

Fear Factor was a solid show for a bit.

Tabloid TV

 

[Tay]

You're missing some important words in there.

"More and more studies are showing that fully vaccinated people with a breakthrough cases are not [as] likely to spread it [as unvaccinated people]"

Otherwise, it sounds like an absolute that vaccinated people never do something. We'll get 20 pages on people fighting about that and saying it's not 100% and totally happens. Followed by 10 pages of people saying since it happens at all, there's no sense getting vaccinated at all.

None of these are absolutes. Even the Gupta article in the first post doesn't say it's an absolute, but it does say that it's 8 times less for a vaccinated person and for less time. Both of which make a vaccinated person much less likely to pass on the virus than an unvaccinated one, but not 0.



Right. Everyone wants a light switch that's on or off. They want every solution to be like having a baby. Either you're pregnant or you're not, there's no such thing as half way.

But, that's not how virus transmission works. Maybe you're infecting lots of people, maybe few, probably not everyone you see and probably not none. And, since it's "less", when spread is high, that "less" is a larger absolute number. It's less of something large instead of less of something small.

We'll probably still get 5 more pages on how the vaccine is practically a forcefield or not anyway.


Everyone get vaccinated. Everyone get everyone you know vaccinated. That should drive the spread to less. Then less of a small number will be even less and it'll repeat until less is so small we don't worry about it anymore. Then I can get my Dole Whip, finally.

The problem is ignorance. The vaccinated don’t realize that it isn’t a cure and should still wear mask and social distance. The unvaccinated use their brother’s girlfriend’s cousin’s best friend’s uncle’s former classmate that was vaccinated and caught the virus as an excuse not to get vaccinated BECAusE tHEy GOT VACCinAtED aND stILl gOT It being ignorant to the fact that there’s a gazillion strains out there and they could have been infected before the vaccine kicked in.