Zootopia characters confirmed

doctornick

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To be fair, he's got a lot of things right well in advance like the DHS redo specifics and Gran Fiesta Tour animatronic additions among recent changes. It's not that his information that never comes to pass is incorrect, its just that things are in constant change in the Disney company.

I have no real opinion on Mr. Hill, but I find it funny that when he gets things "right" it's typically dismissed on these pages as a broken clock being right twice a day, but when insiders here gets things "wrong" it's always because they had the correct info but Disney changed their mind and went a different direction.
 

Donaldfan1934

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I have no real opinion on Mr. Hill, but I find it funny that when he gets things "right" it's typically dismissed on these pages as a broken clock being right twice a day, but when insiders here gets things "wrong" it's always because they had the correct info but Disney changed their mind and went a different direction.
Yeah, I have no idea why he gets crap here when he is, in my opinion, one of the most trusted insiders out there.
 

RSoxNo1

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lol Jim Hill.

To be fair, he's got a lot of things right well in advance like the DHS redo specifics and Gran Fiesta Tour animatronic additions among recent changes. It's not that his information that never comes to pass is incorrect, its just that things are in constant change in the Disney company.

I have no real opinion on Mr. Hill, but I find it funny that when he gets things "right" it's typically dismissed on these pages as a broken clock being right twice a day, but when insiders here gets things "wrong" it's always because they had the correct info but Disney changed their mind and went a different direction.

doctornick pretty much nailed it. Some recent developments that Jim Hill had first:
  • Frozen Ever After
  • Third Theater for Soarin
  • Seven Dwarfs Mine Train
  • C-3PO in Star Tours 2.0
 

jensenrick

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Not sure if it's been mentioned or not, but Zootopia raked in an estimated $73.7 million opening weekend. It's an important number because it's greater than both Big Hero 6 ($56.2 million) or Frozen ($67.4 million) making it the biggest opening weekend for any Disney Animation Studios film. I think the big make or break for this film is if the film gains the "cult" status that Frozen did or if the fandom is more limited (like Big Hero 6).

Well, considering that it seems to be a huge success that has, like you said, outpaced Frozen so far, and the fact that the reviews from critics and audiences alike have been nearly unanimously super positive- I hope Disney isn't caught staring at their navel again, as they were with Frozen, and DO something with this amazing movie in the Parks.
A M&G should be a no-brainer, and at the very least, get some merch out there!
Everywhere I look, they can hardly keep the plush on the shelves, and I had to go to three different stores to get Nick & Judy for my Disney Infinity.
 

goldenstate5

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Yeah, I have no idea why he gets crap here when he is, in my opinion, one of the most trusted insiders out there.

I'll admit I had my "Jim Hill distrust" phase for a long while when he posted an article that seemed fake about another ride film for BTTF: The Ride. Everybody kept shaking their heads about it and I was really dismayed about it. But much to my shock, he was... absolutely right. It's even talked about in the new Back to the Future coffee book and even director Doug Trumbull has done interviews discussing about him reviewing it before agreeing to redo it. Recently been listening to his podcasts with Len Testa and they're pretty accurate, funny and interesting. If you can't stand him, that's all well and good but I don't think he's super untrustworthy at all.

And we all know that things change behind WDI doors all the time. For god's sake, over half of the New Fantasyland expansion was slated to become five meet-and-greets for a good two years before changing to include SDMT, and it was people like Jim who were notating that at the time.

Back on topic, I saw Zootopia again last night and reviewed the details of the entry train scene (it is a train, not a monorail)... it seemed like something they could enhance using similar tech that is featured at UOR on the Hogwarts Express. It's a lot of sealed windows, especially that top dome Judy looks out into. I know people probably want an actual city rising out but with the Safaris next door, it's probably more practical to travel guests into a show building, using the windows as a disguise. An enormous show building could immediately drop guests into the city and have completely climate control.

Man the possibilities for this are just too awesome for Disney to ignore.
 
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doctornick

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As for DAK, I was just listening to the Disney Dish Jim Hill podcast for the 2016 Unofficial Guide and he expands a little more on the Conservation Station-turned Zootopia land. He says that this would basically be DAK's ToonTown with lots of play areas and probably a big dark ride. Of course the replacement for Camp Minnie-Mickey. He made it sound like if Zootopia was a hit, it would be going in this spot no matter how the execution.

I'd have mixed feelings about this.

For starters, I think that Conservation Station should keep the current theme -- learning about the care of the animals enhances the entire experience at DAK and supports the mission statement of the park. I wouldn't want that to be compromised by cartoon anthropomorphic characters.

That said, if there were plans to build a Zootopia area near/next to Rafiki's, I'd be on board but I think it would benefit from having a walking path to the area and not be dependent on the train. I'd certainly support any concept which would bring some additional rides and I think a segregated area for cartoon animal characters in the park would be good, at long as it doesn't interfere with the realism of Africa and Asia.

It is ironic, though, that DAK already has a fantastic play area for kids with the Boneyard.
 

RSoxNo1

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I'll admit I had my "Jim Hill distrust" phase for a long while when he posted an article that seemed fake about another ride film for BTTF: The Ride. Everybody kept shaking their heads about it and I was really dismayed about it. But much to my shock, he was... absolutely right. It's even talked about in the new Back to the Future coffee book and even director Doug Trumbull has done interviews discussing about him reviewing it before agreeing to redo it. Recently been listening to his podcasts with Len Testa and they're pretty accurate, funny and interesting. If you can't stand him, that's all well and good but I don't think he's super untrustworthy at all.

And we all know that things change behind WDI doors all the time. For god's sake, over half of the New Fantasyland expansion was slated to become five meet-and-greets for a good two years before changing to include SDMT, and it was people like Jim who were notating that at the time.

Back on topic, I saw Zootopia again last night and reviewed the details of the entry train scene (it is a train, not a monorail)... it seemed like something they could enhance using similar tech that is featured at UOR on the Hogwarts Express. It's a lot of sealed windows, especially that top dome Judy looks out into. I know people probably want an actual city rising out but with the Safaris next door, it's probably more practical to travel guests into a show building, using the windows as a disguise. An enormous show building could immediately drop guests into the city and have completely climate control.

Man the possibilities for this are just too awesome for Disney to ignore.
If Disney does a train simulator out of Africa to Conservation Station/Zootopia it will be the ultimate concession of creativity. It would be such a blatant Hogwarts Express ripoff it's ridiculous.
 

Fox&Hound

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I'd have mixed feelings about this.

For starters, I think that Conservation Station should keep the current theme -- learning about the care of the animals enhances the entire experience at DAK and supports the mission statement of the park. I wouldn't want that to be compromised by cartoon anthropomorphic characters.

That said, if there were plans to build a Zootopia area near/next to Rafiki's, I'd be on board but I think it would benefit from having a walking path to the area and not be dependent on the train. I'd certainly support any concept which would bring some additional rides and I think a segregated area for cartoon animal characters in the park would be good, at long as it doesn't interfere with the realism of Africa and Asia.

It is ironic, though, that DAK already has a fantastic play area for kids with the Boneyard.

I agree that the train is an unfortunate necessity due to how far away it is but it sure does feel like you walk that distance when you walk from Everest to the front of the park....
 

doctornick

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I agree that the train is an unfortunate necessity due to how far away it is but it sure does feel like you walk that distance when you walk from Everest to the front of the park....

The distance is not that far and is easily walkable. They could put some sort of stuff along the path (food/merch) to break it up as well.

That said, I support having the train present and hope someday it will be expanded to some unyet built new land on the large undeveloped plot. DAK should have some sort of "transport" inside the park.
 

Rteetz

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To be fair, he's got a lot of things right well in advance like the DHS redo specifics and Gran Fiesta Tour animatronic additions among recent changes. It's not that his information that never comes to pass is incorrect, its just that things are in constant change in the Disney company.
I don't think we know if he's gotten a lot of the DHS redo specifics right yet. They haven't even started construction so he may not be right with that.
 

Donaldfan1934

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If Disney does a train simulator out of Africa to Conservation Station/Zootopia it will be the ultimate concession of creativity. It would be such a blatant Hogwarts Express ripoff it's ridiculous.
Well to be fair, it would be similar to how a lot of Universal rides allegedly copy from Disney. Like how in you fly over the city in ET Adventure just like you do London in Peter Pan's Flight. Or how the Lost Continent, now Potter, coaster concepts were said to be taken from Beastly Kingdomme by former imagineers trying to sabotage the project. Or How Men in Black: Alien Attack is basically a grittier version of the Buzz Lightyear attractions. Or how the fairy in Shrek 4D crashes through the wall just like Donald Duck in Mickey's Philharmagic. Or how they changed Monsters Inc. Laugh Floor's "that guy" joke into "those guys in the Despicable Me: Minion Mayhem. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Disney should do what Universal has supposedly done to them. I'm just saying that they wouldn't become king copier because of one ride.
 
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Donaldfan1934

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I don't think we know if he's gotten a lot of the DHS redo specifics right yet. They haven't even started construction so he may not be right with that.
Well he was the first to say that the BAH would come down and that both Star Wars land and Toy Story land were definitely in the works. If he isn't sire about something, he always notes that the plans are in constant flux.
 
Or how the Lost Continent, now Potter, coaster concepts were said to be taken from Beastly Kingdomme by former imagineers trying to sabotage the project.

Not to derail the thread, but I feel the need to point out that this story often gets repeated, but I have the sense that it's not quite true. From concept art that is floating around out there, and descriptions of how Dragon Tower at AK would've played out, it beared only a superficial resemblance to Dueling Dragons. DD was a coaster that involved dragons and a castle, but it was missing the story about the bats trying to rob the dragon's gold, it had no AA dragon showstopper, it was a different coaster type (Suspended for Dragon Tower vs Inverted for DD), it had two coasters not one, and it lacked the theming that would've hidden the coaster structure. Perhaps Uni simply heard Disney was making a dragon coaster, and they ran with the idea but no specifics.
 

goldenstate5

Active Member
If Disney does a train simulator out of Africa to Conservation Station/Zootopia it will be the ultimate concession of creativity. It would be such a blatant Hogwarts Express ripoff it's ridiculous.

True, but it's definitely the iconic moment that people will want to relive. Hogwarts Express is one window and a shadow screen. If Disney could one-up them by taking advantage of the train having multiple windows, thus letting the audience look at one giant moving picture, this could be incredible. Heck, they could even utilize the CAVE tech and just drive the train into a screen-based tunnel.

I don't think we know if he's gotten a lot of the DHS redo specifics right yet. They haven't even started construction so he may not be right with that.

Yeah and neither do you. This just screams of playing devil's advocate solely because you don't like someone for weird reasons.

Some of y'all need to take Chief Bogo's advice: let it go.
 

Rteetz

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Yeah and neither do you. This just screams of playing devil's advocate solely because you don't like someone for weird reasons.

Some of y'all need to take Chief Bogo's advice: let it go
No I don't have a problem with Jim I listen to what he says regularly. I was just pointing out that you can't say he has details about the DHS redo right when the redo has barely even started. For instance he still says carsland is coming or at least a version of it.
 

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